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Have tried a few things already,( I mean a few ) and could, (almost definitely) be related to another one of my topics here, and here I just can't seem to start in Safe Mode, it gets as far as the scrolling and when it stops, it really stops. :smack:
Please assist :whistling: :banana2: :weee: :huh: :rofl: :wacko: :scratch: :smack: :banana: :rant2: :wall: :pullhair:

Jkc73
Hello,
How to run checkdisk from recovery console (Windows xp). (Courtesy dsenette)
  • Insert the Windows XP startup disk into the floppy disk drive, or insert the Windows XP CD-ROM into the CD-ROM drive, and then restart the computer.
    Note:Click to select any options that are required to start the computer from the CD-ROM drive if you are prompted to do so.
  • When the "Welcome to Setup" screen appears, press R to start the Recovery Console.
    Note:If you have a dual-boot or multiple-boot computer, select the installation that you want to access from the Recovery Console.
  • When you are prompted to do so, type the Administrator password. If the administrator password is blank, just press ENTER.
  • At the Recovery Console command prompt, type the following then press Enter:

    chkdsk /r

  • Allow this to run UNDISTURBED until completed (45 min or so)
  • Report any errors

I just can't seem to start in Safe Mode, it gets as far as the scrolling and when it stops, it really stops. :smack:


Agree…..if the HD light is going, it could be trying to finish a CHKDSK…..but you keep kililng it.

do what HFCG said, and make sure the drive is not marked as 'dirty'.

[ [off] I had a vista laptop yesterday that kept doing that…..but it wouldn't reset the dirty bit either, as usual a "windows" update broke it.
the known "installing update 3 of 3 0% complete" issue.]

Tallon41
Check and see if the hard drive is dirty. Please click on START–>RUN and type cmd. In the new window that appears, type fsutil dirty query c: and hit ENTER. If what appears on the screen says Volume - c: IS Dirty, then please do the following:

Please check the following before proceeding:
  • If you have Spyware Doctor installed, uninstall it.
  • If you have ZoneAlarm installed, open it, click the "Overview" tab, then select "Preferences", and UNcheck the "Protect ZA Client" check box.
Click Start, then Run, type cmd in the Open box and click "Ok". At the prompt in the Command window, type the following commands, pressing "Enter" after each one:

Substitute the drive letter for the drive your want to check for the ? in the following commands. Please note the spaces.
  • chkntfs /d ….. (This will reset autocheck options to default…will come back invalid on some installations)
  • chkntfs /c ?: ….. (This will allow checking the specified drive )
  • chkntfs /x ?: ….. (The x switch tells Windows to NOT check the specified drive on the next boot)
At this point, restart your computer, it will not do a chkdsk and will boot directly to Windows.

This next step is important as this is where the Dirty Bit will be unset.

Substitute the drive letter for the drive your want to check for the ? in the following commands.

Click Start, then Run, type cmd in the Open box and click "Ok". At the command prompt, type the following, pressing "Enter" after each one: (Again, note the spaces.)
  • chkdsk /f /r ?: ….. (To manually run a full chkdsk operation on the specified drive)
  • Y ….. (To accept having it run on the next boot)
This should take you through 5 stages of the scan and will unset the Dirty Bit. Be patient…this is a very thorough check and will take quite a while.

Finally, when the chkdsk operation has completed, type fsutil dirty query ?:, press "Enter", and Windows will confirm that the Dirty Bit is not set on that drive.

Reboot again and see if chkdsk still runs on startup. If the machine boots back up to the command prompt, type exit and press "Enter"…it should boot to Windows.
The recovery disc that you have does not have the recovery console.
Using it would earase all of your data.
using the recovery console for repairs will not earase your data.
Here is a link that you can download the recovery console to your desktop.
And here is a link that tells you how to make the disc.
This is used to repair your computer, using the proper utilitys.

Please check the following before proceeding:

* If you have Spyware Doctor installed, uninstall it.
* If you have ZoneAlarm installed, open it, click the "Overview" tab, then select "Preferences", and UNcheck the "Protect ZA Client" check bo


Spyware Doctor apon uninstalling showed a message "unins000.*** missing" sorry I don't remember the type of file, it could have be .msg or .exe, the reason I think it may have been .msg is because, when trying to uninstall Agnitum's Outpost Firewall ( due to trial period being over ) that's the message I got also. So I reinstalled Spyware Doctor and run it once, then uninstall it successfully. :thumbup:

ZoneAlarm I don't have yet due to my inability to uninstall Outpost. :smack:

Click Start, then Run, type cmd in the Open box and click "Ok". At the prompt in the Command window, type the following commands, pressing "Enter" after each one:
Substitute the drive letter for the drive your want to check for the ? in the following commands. Please note the spaces.
* chkntfs /d ….. (This will reset autocheck options to default…will come back invalid on some installations)
* chkntfs /c ?: ….. (This will allow checking the specified drive )
* chkntfs /x ?: ….. (The x switch tells Windows to NOT check the specified drive on the next boot)
At this point, restart your computer, it will not do a chkdsk and will boot directly to Windows.
This next step is important as this is where the Dirty Bit will be unset.
Substitute the drive letter for the drive your want to check for the ? in the following commands.
Click Start, then Run, type cmd in the Open box and click "Ok". At the command prompt, type the following, pressing "Enter" after each one: (Again, note the spaces.)
* chkdsk /f /r ?: ….. (To manually run a full chkdsk operation on the specified drive)
* Y ….. (To accept having it run on the next boot)
This should take you through 5 stages of the scan and will unset the Dirty Bit. Be patient…this is a very thorough check and will take quite a while.


Followed the above directions exactly,

Finally, when the chkdsk operation has completed, type fsutil dirty query ?:, press "Enter", and Windows will confirm that the Dirty Bit is not set on that drive.


Well, I was hoping… though the drive came up dirty again. :scratch:

The recovery disc that you have does not have the recovery console.


The disk I received with my PC is labelled "Reinstallation CD - Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2".
It also states that the CD should only be used to reinstall the OS onto a Dell computer, not for reinstallation of programs or drivers….blah blah blah :wacko:
You get the idea :D

I have booted off this disk, it has the r option for recovery. Though I do have XP Service Pack 3, will this be an issue or can I just remove Service pack 3 then use recovery, then download SP3 again ?

using the recovery console for repairs will not earase your data.


Does this mean I should use my disk and follow it through like a fresh install ( not press the 'r' for recovery ) though press 'r' for repair. ;)


Can someone confirm this last statement for me. :thumbup:


Thanks

Jkc73 B)
I have booted off this disk, it has the r option for recovery. Though I do have XP Service Pack 3, will this be an issue or can I just remove Service pack 3 then use recovery, then download SP3 again ?
*IF* you have IE7, then that should be uninstalled BEFORE you remove SP3. If there are any issues, it will be with drivers and or 3rd party programs, windows itself should not have any problem with doing that.

Does this mean I should use my disk and follow it through like a fresh install ( not press the 'r' for recovery ) though press 'r' for repair. ;) ] That depends on if you want to lose all your data programs and files or not ?

pressing "r" will take you to the Recovery Console. Many things can be corrected here. Since the disk is still dirty, the log is not getting updated. Are you seeing Event 1001 in the App Event Viewer ?

you could run CHKDSK C: /R > C:\CHKDISKLOG.TXT

once you're back to windows, you could open notepad and look at that file or post it here.
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Continuing-on is how you can do a Fresh or Full install, but it is also how you perform a "repair" installation. If the Windows installation program detects all of the Hive files of an existing installation, it will offer the option of "reparing" it.
I would choose that option before a "full" install. Don't forget to go back to IE6 first though.

Tallon41
chkdsk keeps finding d: to be dirty and c: to be clean.
These are not physically 2 separate drives, just partitioned.
HD Tune Pro 3.10 found everything to be fine.
Here is the findings:-
HD Tune Pro: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 Health

ID Current Worst ThresholdData Status
(01) Raw Read Error Rate 200 200 51 0 Ok
(03) Spin Up Time 159 157 21 3016 Ok
(04) Start/Stop Count 100 100 0 470 Ok
(05) Reallocated Sector Count 200 200 140 0 Ok
(07) Seek Error Rate 100 253 51 0 Ok
(09) Power On Hours Count 79 79 0 15584 Ok
(0A) Spin Retry Count 100 100 51 0 Ok
(0B) Calibration Retry Count 100 100 51 0 Ok
(0C) Power Cycle Count 100 100 0 446 Ok
(BE) Airflow Temperature 68 52 45 32 Ok
(C2) Temperature 111 95 0 32 Ok
(C4) Reallocated Event Count 200 200 0 0 Ok
(C5) Current Pending Sector 200 200 0 0 Ok
(C6) Offline Uncorrectable 200 200 0 0 Ok
(C7) Ultra DMA CRC Error Count 200 200 0 0 Ok
(C8) Write Error Rate 200 200 51 0 Ok

Power On Time : 15584
Health Status : Ok

HD Tune Pro: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 Error Scan

Scanned data : 76263 MB
Damaged Blocks : 0.0 %
Elapsed Time : 27:56

HD Tune Pro: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 Information

Firmware version : 10.01E04
Serial number : WD-WMAM9Z251064
Capacity : 74.5 GB (~80.0 GB)
Buffer size : 8192 KB
Standard : ATA/ATAPI-7 - SATA II
Supported mode : UDMA Mode 6 (Ultra ATA/133)
Current mode : UDMA Mode 5 (Ultra ATA/100)

S.M.A.R.T : yes
48-bit Address : yes
Read Look-Ahead : yes
Write Cache : yes
Host Protected Area : yes
Device Configuration Overlay : yes
Firmware Upgradable : yes
Automatic Acoustic Management: yes
Power Management : yes
Advanced Power Management : no
Interface Power Management : yes
Power-up in Standby : no
Security Mode : yes
Native Command Queuing (NCQ) : yes

Volume : (C:)
Capacity : 53976 MB
Free : 14447 MB

Usage : 73%
File system : NTFS
Serial : 7487-44FC

Volume : Backup (D:)
Capacity : 19053 MB
Free : 7554 MB
Usage : 60%
File system : NTFS
Serial : E8DA-2F5D

HD Tune Pro: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 File Benchmark

Drive D:

File Size: 64 MB

Block size Read speed
0.5 KB 78359 KB/s
1 KB 143135 KB/s
2 KB 253647 KB/s
4 KB 427687 KB/s
8 KB 579554 KB/s
16 KB 827335 KB/s
32 KB 1181662 KB/s
64 KB 2142188 KB/s
128 KB 2789509 KB/s
256 KB 2844199 KB/s
512 KB 1499989 KB/s
1024 KB 898681 KB/s
2048 KB 745629 KB/s
4096 KB 668690 KB/s
8192 KB 640582 KB/s

Block size Write speed
0.5 KB 2011 KB/s
1 KB 4389 KB/s
2 KB 8754 KB/s
4 KB 17367 KB/s
8 KB 32963 KB/s
16 KB 61427 KB/s
32 KB 118928 KB/s
64 KB 212561 KB/s
128 KB 219444 KB/s
256 KB 220793 KB/s
512 KB 211445 KB/s
1024 KB 196732 KB/s
2048 KB 206300 KB/s
4096 KB 200269 KB/s
8192 KB 189087 KB/s

Hope someone can make sense of why chkdsk keeps finding d: to be dirty, I don't have anything saved on d: except a few movies, and they all play, and I have run chkdsk on d: drive before and had no errors, no files have been added by myself to d: drive since it tested Ok !!, Is it a global setting ? the same global corruption that stops me being able to view colour in the BB Code. :unsure:


Jkc73
You can try to do a system restore to bring the machine back to usable condition. If it was infected you would have to clean it again, but an infected machine is better than a computer that will not boot. I am correct that you still can not boot? Step I. Access the reconvery console using the OS CD. as suggested already you need to have your OS CD to repair it. To run the Recovery Console from the Windows XP startup disks or the Windows XP CD-ROM, use the following steps: Insert the Windows XP startup disk into the floppy disk drive, or insert the Windows XP CD-ROM into the CD-ROM drive, and then restart the computer. Click to select any options that are required to start the computer from the CD-ROM drive if you are prompted to do so. When the "Welcome to Setup" screen appears, press R to start the Recovery Console and follow the process till you will be at the recovery console command prompt.Getting to the Windows Recovery Console STEP II. At the Recovery Console command prompt, type the following lines(in blue) then press enter after. 1. cd \ ( Note: between "cd" and "\" there should be a "blank space" else the command won''''t work ) 2. cd system~1\_resto~1 If it gives an error "Access Denied" while accessing the folder, follow the method below cd \ cd windows\system32\config ren system system.bak exit Thenrestart the computer and follow step I. 3. dir when you hit it will list all the restore points folders like rp1,rp2……………. we have to see the last restore point to copy the file from a recent backup. if the restore points have more than one page then u have keep on hitting the key to view the last restore point folder. 4. cd rp {the last restore point no. } (Note : Example : cd rp9, if rp9 is the last restore point, where last restore point no.=9 ) 5. cd snapshot Now the command Prompt will look like this c:\system~1\_resto~1\rp9\snapshot> ( Note : restore point 9 assumed for clarity of the content, you have to goto the last restore point folder as described in the previous lines) Now according to the error message we have to copy the appropriate file from the restore point folder. 6. copy _registry_machine_system c:\windows\system32\config\system 7. Type Exit then press enter. your computer should restart and don't forget to cross your fingers
To clear the NTFS dirty bit on a drive/partition, try this. Note x: is the drive you want to clear.

Click on Start then Run, type cmd and press Enter. Next type fsutil dirty query x:. This queries the drive, and more than likely it will tell you that it is dirty.

Next, type chkntfs /x x:. The X tells Windows to NOT check that particular drive on the next reboot. Now manually reboot your computer, it should not do a chkdsk and should take you directly to normal Windows login.

Once Windows has fully loaded, bring up another Command Prompt and enter chkdsk x: /f /r. Reply Y if asked if you want this to happen on the next boot. This should take you through 5 stages of the chkdsk scan and will unset that dirty bit.

Once booted back to Windows, open another Command Prompt and query the dirty bit again by entering fsutil dirty query x: and Windows will confirm that the dirty bit is not set on that drive.

Above from Experts Exchange.

Edited to remove colors
HFCG

Sorry to let you know, but I can't see any BB Code colors, it is a problem with my PC :rofl:
I'm hoping that it is somehow connected to this problem. So if you would be kind enough to copy/paste your last post and change the blue to bold,
it would make it much easier for me :thumbup:

Thanks,



Jkc73

Ps:Ztruker,

I have already tried and d: comes up dirty again :smack:
Thanks for your post :thumbup:
There is no blue.
You can try to do a system restore to bring the machine back to usable condition.
If it was infected you would have to clean it again, but an infected machine is better than a computer that will not boot.
I am correct that you still can not boot?

Step I. Access the reconvery console using the OS CD. as suggested already you need to have your OS CD to repair it.

To run the Recovery Console from the Windows XP startup disks or the Windows XP CD-ROM, use the following steps:

Insert the Windows XP startup disk into the floppy disk drive, or insert the Windows XP CD-ROM into the CD-ROM drive, and then restart the computer.
Click to select any options that are required to start the computer from the CD-ROM drive if you are prompted to do so.
When the "Welcome to Setup" screen appears, press R to start the Recovery Console and follow the process till you will be at the recovery console command prompt.Getting to the Windows Recovery Console

STEP II. At the Recovery Console command prompt, type the following lines(in blue) then press enter after.

1. cd \ ( Note: between "cd" and "\" there should be a "blank space" else the command won''''t work )
2. cd system~1\_resto~1

If it gives an error "Access Denied" while accessing the folder, follow the method below

cd \
cd windows\system32\config
ren system system.bak
exit

Thenrestart the computer and follow step I.

3. dir

when you hit it will list all the restore points folders like rp1,rp2……………. we have to see the last restore point to copy the file from a recent backup. if the restore points have more than one page then u have keep on hitting the key to view the last restore point folder.

4. cd rp {the last restore point no. } (Note : Example : cd rp9, if rp9 is the last restore point, where last restore point no.=9 )

5. cd snapshot

Now the command Prompt will look like this c:\system~1\_resto~1\rp9\snapshot> ( Note : restore point 9 assumed for clarity of the content, you have to goto the last restore point folder as described in the previous lines) Now according to the error message we have to copy the appropriate file from the restore point folder.

6. copy _registry_machine_system c:\windows\system32\config\system
7. Type Exit then press enter. your computer should restart and don't forget to cross your fingers

Sorry to let you know, but I can't see any BB Code colors, it is a problem with my PC :rofl:
I'm hoping that it is somehow connected to this problem. So if you would be kind enough to copy/paste your last post and change the blue to bold,
it would make it much easier for me :thumbup:

Thanks,

OK, but I don't believe that a dirty bit set on a "data" partition, is going to be the 'cause' of why it's not booting into Safe Mode.

have you turned-off "automatically restart" ?

start—right-click "my computer". When the "system Properties" window opens, click the -advanced- tab, then in the "Startup and Recovery" section, click the -settings- button. When the "startup and Recovery" window opens,
UN-check the "automatically restart" box, then click [OK], [OK].

then try to boot into Safe Mode, and we'll see if you are getting a BSOD…..

Tallon41
Ok Guys, Thanks for your help to this point :thumbup:

My system stopped booting altogether, I needed to purchase a new HDD and reinstall the OS.

I did need some more space, so I grabbed 1TB :woot: big increase from the 80GB that wouldn't boot.

Also by doing this I hope to be able to recover the important data from the 80GB drive, then eventually make the drive boot by finding out what went wrong B)

1st priority is to make sure that I am better prepared with this new drive, then back to the classroom. :)

Hope to post the reason to the fault soon.
Suspect corrupt .dll files ?

Thanks again for all your help :thumbup:

Jkc73

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