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[jeff matthews]

If you like to caught up on what i been doing, follow this link. This thread is specifically for the issues i am having with this older machine.

http://forums.whatth...h...18153&st=90

I am having an issue with constant BSOD crashes and windows is not loading windows set up.

Now after putting in the newer PSU, and taking out the old one. The system seems to work fine, no changes in power. It turns on great. I also reapplied some Ceramic paste to the CPU in this system the temps went way down in the bios as well. Not that it was an issue anyways. I just figured it would be a smart thing to do, now that i have it with me anyways and i did it on my newer pc that did have the issue.

Anyways i have two hard drives in this computer now. The older one which is extremely old HD and the newer one that i took out of my previous computer. At first if you read the above thread i thought that the HD from my new PC was the problem. Turns out it was a CPU temp. in fact its so old that it doesn't even have SATA connections on it. Only IDE port. It also has a bumper that you have to move if you want to change it from a primary to a slave. This is the HD that has windows install on it. But when i try to boot up into windows, BSOD crashes happen. I also try to load up windows set up from a boot up process. It will not load into windows. It takes forever before eventually crashing again with a BSOD screen. I can't even boot up into safe mode. Same BSOD creashes. So here is what i decided to do. I unplugged the drive completely. Plugged the newer drive in, on the computer. Tried to use the windows disk to launch set up.

I noticed no more BSOD screens at least with the drive unplugged. Now that i noticed this, i am pretty certain the drive is what is causing the crashes. Though the set up is still having an issue loading for some reason. It is taking a very very long time.

Any suggestions what this may be? The only thing i have not checked is "ram" so my next course of action in this process is to test each individual DDR2 ram card and see if i can find one with no errors, and then in cert the ram that works. Then try to boot up windows again. In any case, i need to be able to back up all the data from the old HD and transfer it to the newer HD some how. Then i will probably trash that old HD as its extremely old and really not that useful any more.

Anyways ill wait for a reply from you to see what you think i should do at this point, thanks!

Edited by jeff matthews, 27 April 2011 - 05:30 PM.

[jeff matthews]

Well all be darn. After bout a half an hr. It finally loaded. So i now reformatted the drive and doing a clean install of windows on this machine. It installed successfully. No problems. So it was definitely the drive that has the issues. Now i plugged the other drive back in and its already acting as if it were a slave. So i think what im going to do is get a MSE on here as soon as i can, anti virus application and firewalls. Then ill try to copy some of the data from my old drive to my new drive. Now can you give me any suggestions on how to scan my old drive for any errors that it may have. If any. Cause if the drive is not bad, and is only infected with horrible viruses that caused a windows instability error. I can just reformat the old drive and use it again as a slave drive in the computer. How ever i want to take ALL the necessary precautions in getting the nastiest out of the old drive. Setting up my new drive to be safe. I DO NOT want to copy any of the old corrupted registry or files into the new drive. That might cause the whole problem to arise again. Its obvious at this point the issue isnt ram now because the pc seems to be working fine now that i did a clean install. How ever like i said, the old drive still has the old windows install on it. But im using it as a slave to copy off the important data. There are some things i may consider doing, like backing up a registery, so i can boot to a reg system file that actually works INCASE something goes horribly wrong. Also i am very weary bout transferring files from this old drive so i want to make sure i can scan or test this old drive and find out where the problems are. This is where ill be asking for your assistance in performing these tasks so i can successfully reformat the old drive, back up the important data and use both drives in the computer.

Edited by jeff matthews, 27 April 2011 - 06:22 PM.

[terry1966]

before connecting the old drive install mse and get all the microsoft updates then i suggest installing malware bytes and getting that updated too. then connect the old drive and use malware bytes to scan any/all data files you want to copy across to the new drive. after all the data is moved across you can format it,do a full format and not a quick format. if you want to do a drive check goto the manufacturers site, they usually have a utility that can be download and burned to a cd, this you'll need to boot to and it'll run a full diagnostic check on the hard drive.

[jeff matthews]

Thanks for the information but i got another problem now. It seems the PSU that i installed isnt working now. I guess it popped. The computer won't even turn on at all. Also this PSU doesn't have any sata cords to plug in the new drives. So i can't use the newer drive with the old PSU. I can't believe this. It seems every time i turn around something goes wrong Now i need to buy a new PSU i guess, apparently this PSU that i had in my new computer WAS bad. I do how ever notice one thing. That the motherboard has a 4 pin connector and a 12 pin connector. But this PSU has a 8 pin connector and 12 pin connector. So i only plugged in the one 4 pin connector cause there is no 8 pin port on the mobo. It seemed to work great for a while. I even installed the new windows, ran updates did all kinds of things for a good few hrs. Then finally it shut down and now i can't even turn it on. Could that be because i need to plug in both 4 pin connectors into the mobo. Or do you think the PSU just popped completly and is trash now. cause i only have 1 plugged in from the PSU. Unfrotantly though i can't plug in both 4 pin connectors cause the mobo doesn't support it. So my only choice i guess is to put back everything the way it was. Put back in the old PSU, and the old drive and run it like that. But now i won't be able to copy off the files from the old drive cause i know soon as i try to boot up that windows. All kinds of carp** is going to happen because of windows corruption on that old drive. So yeah i have a huge mess now.

Edited by jeff matthews, 27 April 2011 - 07:39 PM.

[Doug]

How did you get Windows installed on the new Hard Drive and have it running properly for a short period of time, if you do not have power leads for SATA?

[terry1966]

if the old psu works fine then put that back in,
and if the only problem you have then is not being able to use a sata drive with the old psu because it doesn't have any sata power connections then this will fix that. :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812123119

the first 4 pin power connection is for the cpu only and the pc wouldn't of booted without it.
usually the 2nd 4pin power connection on the motherboard is for extra power to the pci-e bus and you only needed that if you were running multiple video cards in sli or x-fire, but no idea what it's for on your motherboard.



doug :- new psu had sata power leads(old one from new build) so he could use a sata drive now, old psu no sata leads so couldn't use sata drive. i know it's confusing me too, with both old and new pc's being worked on and things being swapped between the two.

Edited by terry1966, 27 April 2011 - 08:02 PM.

[jeff matthews]

Because my previous PSu that i just installed into the computer. Does have Sata cables attached to them. So i can hook up my new drive. That is how i was able to install windows sucuesfully. The computer previously only had that old drive in it and it was plugged in via IDE, not sata. But now that the pc doesn't seem to turn on at all, im thinking that the PSU popped. If i install my old PSU back into the computer which does work. It does not have any sata cables attached to it, so there for i will have to unhook my new drive with the windows install on it and convert back to my old drive with the corrupted windows on it. Unless i buy a new psu. But answer me this one question. Normally PSU's come with two cords that are the main source of power that connects to the motherboard. This one has two 4 pin connectors that are like split at the end. Then there is the big 12 pin plug that you have to plug in. My older PSU only had a one 4 pin and a 12 pin. The mobo does not have any extra ports to plug in a 2nd 4 pin connector. So would this cause any problems with the PSU being able to work on the motherboard? Because the way i plugged it in was i used the one 4 pin connector and left the other 4 pin connector just dangle. Then i plugged in the 12 pin connector. But its strange because after plugging those in. I was able to still use the computer for a good few hrs. Before it went down. So does this actually matter? Normally when you don't have enough power source to the motherboard the unit won't turn on at all. This wasn't the case, it was on for like 2 hrs before it finally went out.

[jeff matthews]

if the old psu works fine then put that back in,
and if the only problem you have then is not being able to use a sata drive with the old psu because it doesn't have any sata power connections then this will fix that. :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812123119

the first 4 pin power connection is for the cpu only and the pc wouldn't of booted without it.
usually the 2nd 4pin power connection on the motherboard is for extra power to the pci-e bus and you only needed that if you were running multiple video cards in sli or x-fire, but no idea what it's for on your motherboard.

wow thanks terry. I think you solved my problem. I still wonder though if that PSU is actually burnt out or not. I was having trouble with shut downs before on my main pc. So it might of just completely went out.

[jeff matthews]

oh my goodness. Ive never had this issue before. It turns out it wasnt the PSU. It was the power cord. All i did was switch the cords and the computer turned on. With my luck something else will go wrong im sure. But it seems to be working fine now, that i switched the power cable.

[terry1966]

well if the pc works with the old psu back in it but the new one didn't power on and nothing lit up or fans spun then yes i'd have to say it had a fault, what the fault is i've no idea for all i know the fuse in the plug might of blown, if you have fuses in your plugs over there. yes i had a similar problem with my mums pc and found out it was the power lead, but she'd caused a short using a broken surge protector(i was not happy when i heard, electricity is very dangerous) that burned it out. i'd say just try and be a little bit more careful when working on these things.

Edited by terry1966, 27 April 2011 - 08:16 PM.

[jeff matthews]

Yeah i have a feeling its the surge protector it self. I might switch out a new surge protector just to be safe. After all that one has been around for a while. In any case now that the pc is working. Back to my other discussion at hand. What would you recommend i use well copying files over. I need something that is strong, that will block all incoming and outgoing connections such as Comodo fire wall, or something. I need to be able to get the safe files off of the old drive and completely delete that corrupted partition and format it for use again. I noticed that when i opened up the windows folder in that drive. The explorer.exe just refreshed if that tells you anything. That hard drive is just loaded down who knows what. Its been a while since ive formatted it. I usually just clean the spyware and stuff off of it, but this time i just want to back up my important documents and some of them are game files and what not so i want to make sure that im not transferring any unwanted software or viruses over to my current drive with the OS installed on it.

Edited by jeff matthews, 27 April 2011 - 09:06 PM.

[terry1966]

http://forums.whatth...h...st&p=727656

you don't need to use anything special, just drag and drop the files from one hard drive to the other, just scan them first with malwarebytes and mse to make sure they are clean.

also make sure it's the new drive that gets booted first in the bios boot order before booting into a os, last thing you want is to boot the wrong drive first and maybe infect the clean one.