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[Jimbo1]

Thought I post here to gather some input to what others may or may not know. I just bought me a 24 inch montior today, going from 19 to 24 so I could see better and the age of my old montior was lets say less than perfect display. Anyhow the montior I bought is an ASUS VE245 and this thing is pretty good so far has all kinds of setting, I have it on theater mode atm and love it , real clear but now I want to take it to the next lvl. My system is running Windows XP SP3, 2 gig of ram -- What I tryed in the past with a video card that was suppose to be able to run in DVI mode but for some reason it would not work in DVI mode with Windows XP, I think ZTruker even tryed to help but was met with no luck, even the card MFG was puzzle to why it would boot up in anlog mode but as soon as the DVI kicked in the screen went blank. So what I am thinking as of now this montior has VGA, DVI, and HDMI inputs, and wanting to go with a Video card that has VGA, DVI and HDMI and trying to keep the cost under $100.00 bucks. I know some may not like to hear this but still going to be running Windows XP. Bus slot is PCI Express. So what do you know and recommends that will be under this price and works with Windows XP. Really wanting to get these graphic crystal clear and easy to see when I am looking at this screen. Thanks, Jimbo1

Edited by Jimbo1, 01 February 2011 - 12:18 PM.

[terry1966]

haven't got any recommendations for you jimbo,
but just thought i'd mention that the only connection type you need on the card is dvi,
you can get adaptors(usually 1 of each supplied with card) that will then allow you to use it with all 3 types of connections, hdmi,vga and dvi.

so if you see a card that is in your price range and like it's reviews don't discount it if there's no hdmi connection on it.
doesn't matter what make card you get either, it will work with all os. xp, vista, win 7, linux.

also thought i'd mention about sound and hdmi, just in case you want to connect it to a tv with hdmi at some time.
ati cards have built in sound that will play sound through hdmi cable,
but with nvidia cards you need to make a connection from the card to the spdif out on the motherboard with supplied cable before you'll get sound out of the hdmi cable.(seems this isn't true with the newer nvidia cards, so depends on the card. )



this might help you choose a card.:- http://www.tomshardw...x-570,2834.html

Edited by terry1966, 31 January 2011 - 07:14 PM.

[Jimbo1]

haven't got any recommendations for you jimbo,
but just thought i'd mention that the only connection type you need on the card is dvi,
you can get adaptors(usually 1 of each supplied with card) that will then allow you to use it with all 3 types of connections, hdmi,vga and dvi.

so if you see a card that is in your price range and like it's reviews don't discount it if there's no hdmi connection on it.
doesn't matter what make card you get either, it will work with all os. xp, vista, win 7, linux.

also thought i'd mention about sound and hdmi, just in case you want to connect it to a tv with hdmi at some time.
ati cards have built in sound that will play sound through hdmi cable,
but with nvidia cards you need to make a connection from the card to the spdif out on the motherboard with supplied cable before you'll get sound out of the hdmi cable.

I see a few on Tiger direct for less that 100.00, but as I said in the past when I bought a card at the time DVI output, we could not get it to work with windows, it would boot up in analog mode but once DVI kicked in the screen went blank. We never could get it to work, this is why I kinda taking a bit slow and asking around cause I want to go with HDMI from my video card to this new monitor because it has the input.

Jimmy

Edited by Jimbo1, 01 February 2011 - 12:19 PM.

[terry1966]

i would of thought there was probably a hardware problem with that card and it's dvi connection, and should of been returned. jimbo, i've never had any problems with dvi connection on 3 different graphics cards, actually running a gtx 275 now with 2 dvi connections built in, but using 2 adaptors for vga output on it, did have 1 hdmi connected to tv and 1 vga to monitor but tv stopped working so am connected to 2 monitors with vga at mo. until i get a new tv. but plenty of cards out there with at least 1 hdmi connection built in. i also edited my post above too with a link that might help you choose,

Edited by terry1966, 31 January 2011 - 06:59 PM.

[Nahumi]

Well, $100 isn't a lot for buying a new graphics card. What card are you running at the moment?

[Jimbo1]

i would of thought there was probably a hardware problem with that card and it's dvi connection, and should of been returned. jimbo,

Well thats what I thought and Ztruker also thought, we tried and tried and even the MFG was puzzled and thought well maybe it's something to do with Windows XP, who knows but the card was sent back and I bought this one.

http://www.amazon.co...R/dp/B001QMJ8Z4

Well, $100 isn't a lot for buying a new graphics card.

What card are you running at the moment?

The one listed in the link above this quote

Jimbo1

Edited by Jimbo1, 01 February 2011 - 05:09 PM.

[appleoddity]

Hi Jim. Your statement does raise a question. YOu said the system would boot in Analog mode and then when DVI kicked in the screen would go blank. Now, I know you probably know this and just didn't provide enough information, but I'm a stickler for detail. If you have just ONE monitor hooked up, how is it that you are booting in Analog mode and then switching to DVI mode? The system should boot from start to finish with your monitor hooked up with a DVI cable. However, some monitors require that you manually choose which input you want to use. DVI or VGA. Like mentioned already, HDMI isn't necessary. DVI would be the way to go. HDMI is really for high definition TVs. I'm not sure that HDMI even supports the high resolutions your monitor can handle. I believe the max would be 1080p, which is still lower than many newer or larger LCD screens can handle. The input on the monitor is so you can hook up a blu ray player or something to it. The problem with the large monitors (and with all LCD screens) is that they have a native resolution that they look best on. But on large screens, instead of everything getting bigger, they increase the native resolution much higher. So, ultimately you get much more desktop real estate but the overall size of things usually gets smaller. Its one thing I really dislike about larger monitors. In order to get crystal clear text you have to run it in the native resolution which is often times so high either the video card won't support it properly, or things are just way too dang small on the screen. Luckily, there is usually one lower settings that has the same aspect ratio that will also display clear text and be the right size for my liking, but it is still not as crystal clear as if it were running in its native resolution. Your screen will tell you what the native resolution is, either on screen, or in the manual and from your previous comments it is likely you will not like it.

Edited by appleoddity, 01 February 2011 - 08:51 PM.

[Jimbo1]

Your statement does raise a question. YOu said the system would boot in Analog mode and then when DVI kicked in the screen would go blank. Now, I know you probably know this and just didn't provide enough information, but I'm a stickler for detail. If you have just ONE monitor hooked up, how is it that you are booting in Analog mode and then switching to DVI mode? The system should boot from start to finish with your monitor hooked up with a DVI cable. However, some monitors require that you manually choose which input you want to use. DVI or VGA.

The reason I said that and at the time I was trying to install the video card I had, was each time I would boot I would see my post msg, I would get to what I call the knight rider screen and when you get to the point of starting windows like it was logging into the desk top, wham it would go blank and this was connected with the dvi cable only. I think the mfg card tech was the one who told me when you are first booting up it's in analog mode till the drivers kick in for the dvi mode and they believed, that windows xp was not supporting those drivers.

Because if I did not install the drivers it would boot in standard vga mode but not in dvi. Like I said I really don't know much about the DVI, HDMI video card, driver or suppot for windows XP. So this is why I here asking question about which video card or what yall may know to steer me into the right choice to make.

Like mentioned already, HDMI isn't necessary. DVI would be the way to go. HDMI is really for high definition TVs. I'm not sure that HDMI even supports the high resolutions your monitor can handle. I believe the max would be 1080p, which is still lower than many newer or larger LCD screens can handle. The input on the monitor is so you can hook up a blu ray player or something to it. The problem with the large monitors (and with all LCD screens) is that they have a native resolution that they look best on.

Here is the spec's of my monitor: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236112

So what would be best HDMI or DVI, again would like to make the right choice and to be sure it will be supported by Windows XP

In order to get crystal clear text you have to run it in the native resolution

ok that a term I am not familiar with, could you explain what this means?

[terry1966]

the native resolution of that monitor is 1920x1080 or 1080p.

native resolution :- http://en.wikipedia....tive_resolution

all it is really is the card outputs a picture size that exactly matches the number of pixels in the monitor.

[Jimbo1]

The system should boot from start to finish with your monitor hooked up with a DVI cable. However, some monitors require that you manually choose which input you want to use. DVI or VGA.

Ok that got me thinking, and was wondering then why did the thing go black after getting the msg starting Windows. The card I was trying at the time was this one: EVGA FX 5200, but as I said because it did not work I went o well and went out and bought this current card:

http://www.google.co...ed=0CDAQ8wIwBA#

But when I hooked it up I never tried the DVI output, I went for VGA only, but now I am here at this point reading this topic and looking at the spec's of the card and from what you said that DVI is better. So I tried and hooked up the DVI and turned on the system it booted into Windows. Now I went what the heck, why did it not work with the last card I tried but no all of sudden with this video card it is working. Any answers?

Now I have another question to ask in regards of this monitor?

I was using this pc with a kvm switch to work on other computers. So can I also hook up the VGA with this monitor so when I switch to a computer I am working on and when I run scans or what not I can switch back to my main one with DVI?

Jimbo1

[terry1966]

Now I went what the heck, why did it not work with the last card I tried but no all of sudden with this video card it is working. Any answers?

last card was faulty.

I was using this pc with a kvm switch to work on other computers. So can I also hook up the VGA with this monitor so when I switch to a computer I am working on and when I run scans or what not I can switch back to my main one with DVI?

you talking about having both vga and dvi connected at the same time to the monitor, and using the monitors options to decide which input to display? if so then i'd say yes should work fine if the monitor has that option.

[Jimbo1]

you talking about having both vga and dvi connected at the same time to the monitor, and using the monitors options to decide which input to display? if so then i'd say yes should work fine if the monitor has that option.

Yes this monitor has a auto feature to detect which input it is using. I try it and see what happens.

Jimbo1

[appleoddity]

Hi Jim. I agree with what you have been told. However, I do not agree that the initial video card was faulty. True, it could've been faulty, and it could also have been a driver issue, but I have seen this issue more than once. It requires some janky stuff that you shouldn't have to do, but it is a matter of telling windows what the "primary" monitor is, if it doesn't switch it automatically. Most cards that have a DVI and a VGA port will allow you to use "dual monitors" and actually use BOTH ports at the same time. Windows will see two monitors and make only one of them the primary monitor. At boot time, BOTH ports show the same output, but once the video card drivers and windows take over you get "dual monitor" support. If Windows locks itself on to the VGA port as the primary port, then if you have your monitor hooked up to DVI it will go black right after windows boots up. If you plug into VGA at that point you will see the screen. You need to go into control panel -> display -> settings. Two monitors will be shown. You need to click what should be identified as monitor 2 and select "use this as my primary monitor" or something like that. After you apply the settings, the screen will go black again then you can plug your DVI cable back in and your screen will show up again. From that point on you should be able to boot and see your screen on DVI. Its just a little confusion in windows as to what monitor to use as the primary monitor. Not really that unusual. As far as using both inputs on the monitor, this sounds like a great idea. It probably auto detects, but it probably will also let you switch manually between the two inputs if they are both present at the same time. Hook you DVI machine up to the DVI port, and hook your KVM and other computers up to the VGA port. Then switch manually between the two inputs as needed. Again, DVI is the connection you should be using from a computer to a monitor. HDMI is for audio/video equipment. Its so you can hook a blu ray player or other hi-def source up to your monitor. Or so you can hook your PC up to a hi-def TV.

Edited by appleoddity, 02 February 2011 - 10:27 PM.

[Jimbo1]

It requires some janky stuff that you shouldn't have to do, but it is a matter of telling windows what the "primary" monitor is, if it doesn't switch it automatically. Most cards that have a DVI and a VGA port will allow you to use "dual monitors" and actually use BOTH ports at the same time. Windows will see two monitors and make only one of them the primary monitor. At boot time, BOTH ports show the same output, but once the video card drivers and windows take over you get "dual monitor" support. If Windows locks itself on to the VGA port as the primary port, then if you have your monitor hooked up to DVI it will go black right after windows boots up.

Ahhh now this make a lot of sense and really something I never knew, I seen this in Windows 7, but would have never thought this action would be in XP, wow thanks for this infro, this would be something I have to keep in mind next time trying out new stuff, I some what still a bit in the stone age hehehehe

Jimmy

Edited by Jimbo1, 09 February 2011 - 10:04 AM.

[Jimbo1]

What the "primary" monitor is, if it doesn't switch it automatically. Most cards that have a DVI and a VGA port will allow you to use "dual monitors" and actually use BOTH ports at the same time. Windows will see two monitors and make only one of them the primary monitor. At boot time, BOTH ports show the same output, but once the video card drivers and windows take over you get "dual monitor" support. If Windows locks itself on to the VGA port as the primary port, then if you have your monitor hooked up to DVI it will go black right after windows boots up.


If you plug into VGA at that point you will see the screen. You need to go into control panel -> display -> settings. Two monitors will be shown. You need to click what should be identified as monitor 2 and select "use this as my primary monitor" or something like that. After you apply the settings, the screen will go black again then you can plug your DVI cable back in and your screen will show up again. From that point on you should be able to boot and see your screen on DVI. Its just a little confusion in windows as to what monitor to use as the primary monitor. Not really that unusual.

I went to my control panel in XP just to see if I am in DVI mode or as you call it primary" monitor but I am not seeing that option, I see this in Windows 7 on my laptop but not here on my desktop in xp. I looked under display adapter and all it shows is my video card, I looked under my monitor and all it says plug and play, should xp be showing under this setting the name of this monitor? The screen says DVI when turning on the system and booting.

Jimbo1