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Hi toruser

Yes, it is possible to determine the sender's original IP from the Header Information of an email.

Have a look here at this introductory level information:
http://www.johnru.com/active-whois/trace-email.html

There are dozens of legitimate reasons why people wish to cause their internet identity to be anonymous.
And some folks want to remain anonymous based on a personally held gut-level reason.
Alternatively, there are dozens of legitimate reason for a person to want their identity to be relatively public.

IP identity has some "real-world" corollaries such as the Return Address you put on the outside of a payment envelope, a home or business phone number or a cell phone number.

The double-edged nature of identity vs. anonymity is that most often the person will want "some" folks to be able to reach them, and may want "others" to not be able to reach them. The more people you want to have the ability to reach you, the more likely your identity can be deliberately or accidentally disclosed to those you wish to be protected from.

It's a true fact of life in these high-tech times, that the most frequently used method to obtain information about an individual, is the garbage can. People throw away receipts, billing information, check stub and ATM receipt copies, as well as envelopes and more individual information without shredding the paper first. And over a period of years, it is unlikely that very many of us at all, have observed garbage can security consistently. Any one throw-away item may not contain sufficient information to compromise a persons identity, but a collection of several items probably will.

Additionally, we voluntarily "give" our personal information to a variety of people, businesses, and entities, without truly understanding what may happen to our information after it is given. Have you ever received an email from a friend that was also cc'd to other people or forwarded from one friend to another? All of those addresses are now in the Header of the email, and your address is available to all of those people. If you've ever sent or received an item that offers a "tracking code" option, then you've given away plenty of information. If you've purchased or subscribed to a downloadable application or utility and check-marked the item that offers "send me updates about this product", you may have given away plenty of information. If you've recently applied for or received a credit card account, isn't it interesting that all of a sudden your mailbox is filled with offers for other credit cards. If you've recently enrolled or graduated from college, isn't it interesting that you suddenly start receiving offers for credit, loans, housing, products, vacations, job search services, and the like. Buying a car or major appliance may result in a similar flood of new offers.

In the physical world it is possible to obtain a Post Office Box to receive mail, so that routine communications do not receive a home or business address. However, many of the businesses one has to correspond with also require a physical address to be given inside of their database. You can receive a utility or phone bill at a Post Office Box, but the electric or phone company still needs to know the physical address to supply the service.

In the digital world, many savvy folks maintain more than one email account, sometimes called "throw-away" accounts. Such accounts can be used for specific purposes, such as registering software, business only, personal only, etc. This use of multiple accounts can limit the amount of spam email one receives, or limit most spam to only one account.
However, the user's specific IP is still available in all of these accounts, so identity is still available to a determined investigator.

Using 'anonymyzers" like Tor can provide specific protections during any specific internet correspondence, but if the user is concerned about privacy, it is well to consider the above kinds of personal information sources as well.

As to "configuring your machine, firewall, and router" to use Tor, it appears that the Tor sites offered by a google search or directly from the sites linked by Abydos, above will give you most of the information you need. Specific questions about problems using Tor may be best addressed in their Tor user forums. I'm not trying to discourage you from further posting of Tor related questions here in these forums, rather I'm being realistic about where you may get the most up to date information.

Best Regards
Checked the links. All of this Tor stuff is a little over my head. I wish they could've made things step by step. Meaning click this click that tyep this type that. Guess I'll have to wait. I appreciate and tahnk you for all your help though.
Hi Toruser Sorry it didn't worked out in a more positive outcome for you at the moment. Tor is a big mouthfull for most. But if you ever need some advice at a later point, don't hold back. That goes also for any other questions you might have on your mind. At least you are one experience richer, and maybe you some day gets Tor figured out. If you do, you're welcome to share that knowledge. ;) Kind regards Abydos :)
Had a thought about the e-mail headers. Is there a way to either encrypt or hide that ip info in your e-mail? I have a POP3 type e-mail program. It is Outlook Express 6. I do have a program called Spamfighter. Does that already encrypt ip info in e-mails? And by looking at the link you gave I know that someone can take an e-mail they received and check the senders ip. But if someone sends an e-mail to me and I don't respond to it, can they still see my e-mails ip? Or can they find out only onuce you reply?
Hi again Toruser There are ways to hide your header in the email, but not within OE6 itself. For that you need some kind of 3rd party software. I don't know any by experience, so can't / won't advice you to any atm. Spamfighter won't protect your IP. Spamfighter is only used versus spammails. Drawing from a large database of user-replied spammails, its an effective tool against the never-ending stream of spam. You could consider creating some web-based emails. Altho, as Doug mentioned, it won't hide your IP from a determined investigator. But as I explained earlier, you can't see an actual address of the person in question. One can determine the City district or area, based upon your IP and ISP. I keep for example no less than 3 web-based email services. Yahoo.com, Hotmail.com and finally Gmail.com. I made sure that these emails doesn't relate to any names / Avatars I use on the net. Any person wieving the header won't be any wiser regarding my person, private address or anything else short of the email address itself + IP. I use each email for a different purpose. For forums, other webpages and finally to register my programs. My very own personnal email in OE, i keep to close friends and relatives, AND NO OTHER! No, a person can't see your IP simply by mailing you a letter. You have to respond by email yourself in order to so. Finally a little example: 1: Create yahoo.com mail 2 Call it: [removed] When you send a person a mail from that yahoo mail, all he'll get is : [removed] + IP (Area / City district). That info aint of much use to someone looking for a specific person. The idea is to create a mail, that have nothing to do with you in person, and doesn't reveal any preferences from real life. Consider your name / tag on those carefully, if you choose to use web-based email. Hope this was info enough, otherwise, ask away and i'll try answer to the best of my knowledge :) Kind regards Abydos ^_^
Hello Toruser, I have read all your posts in this thread with interest and respect, but feel you are now with your last post including your personal experiences onto the forum which really should be private for you only. We would like you to enjoy your computer and certainly ask for help from this forum when necessary as we are very happy to assist you in any form. We are here as volunteers to help you to customise your computer in a safe and professional way. I have been on the internet for many years with several computers behind me. I have attempted to keep my details private to the extent that I use a very respected ISP who in itself offers wonderful spam filtering that can be set to high, medium or low. I set mine to high, and in the area where you can set your address filters I enable any addresses I do want to reach me in my email software OE 6.0. Having said that I also have 5 other throw away email addresses that I use for online registering and never give my private address to anyone I do not call a true friend. By doing this I do not get junk mail at all and really would not know what a junk email looked like. So Toruser, please enjoy your computer surfing with the thought that as long as you take rigid precautions to protect your identity you will have no problems on line in your day to day surfing. I hope this little post will give you some confidence to go ahead and not worry so much about things that happen in your life that are indeed only private to you. :) kind regards,
I respect you too. I would've made it private. I would've just pmed someone on it, but like I said can't use that feature for some reason. I hope that I'll be fine. I simply want to be safe than sorry. I mean where else was I supposed to go to get protection in case this would happen. Anyway I'm sorry I brought that last post up that yes should be private, but what would you've done in my situation.
Hi toruser,

No "sorry" needed, just as long as you are aware.

what would you've done in my situation.


I do not install any software that does not work for me - In other words, I read about it and what it does, if I like it and need it I install it, but the moment it does not work for me it goes to the great waiting room in the sky……..recycle bin.

Checked the links. All of this Tor stuff is a little over my head.


Okay - going by your own words above I would uninstall it as you have had it a few days now, it is giving you stress so I would let it go.

Now what would I do: I would either ring you ISP or email them with concerns about their spam and address filter options offered to you as their customer. I would tell them of your concerns as you have told us and see what is offered for your protection. Have you been into yout account and searched within it for filters? If not you may already have them there for the taking.

I hope this helps. Post back and tell us what others on other forums have advised you to do. We are always interested to learn and particularly so in this case as your concerns are still obvious.

kind regards,
Hi again Toruser, I'm going to remove your last post. I don't find it objectionable, nor in violation of Forum rules and guidelines. I believe that you have received good response and understanding from those who have replied to you up to this point. Your specific reasons for seeking assistance with anonymity are just fine and are your own business, you do not have to explain any further. Please feel welcome to continue seeking assistance and/or participating here at WTT Forums. You can certainly inquire further about privacy options. We'll just have removed the "story line" so that that part is not searchable via search engines on the internet. I hope this meets with your understanding and acceptance. You are welcome to PM myself or an Admin if you disagree with my actions in the above. Best Regards, Doug
Thanks I'll look into my ip on those things.

That's fine. I was thinking of removing my story post anyway for the fact someone could see it in a search engine search.

I found this site: http://www.whatsmyipaddress.com/ when you go to the site it automatically comes up with your ip and gives a map on the right. Is this a map to your Internet Provider's address like you said that's what your ip points to. Or is this site actually trying to point to my address? I don't see any streets I know of on there. I do know my neighboorhood streets use to be called other names. So with you is it pointing to your address area or your ip's address?

Also I nkow this is of topic, but then again we've already crossed that road I'm sure already. Recently I got a bigger hard drive and this independent tech I know cloned my hard drive onto the newer bigger one. When I look in the Add/Remove programs area I see names of programs some I have now and some I use to have. When I try to uninstall these programs I use to have it says something like it cannot remove the program because it doesn't exist. Is there a program that can remove traces or anything that would be making the Add/Remove programs window think the program is still on the computer? Or do I simply have to re-install the programs and then untinall them? Thanks.
Hello toruser,

Have you used your Cleanup Utility after uninstalling the chosen programs? Also suggest you go to My Computer > C:\Drive > program files and delete the folder appropriate to the program you have uninstalled earlier. Please then Reboot.

Have a look at the following program here regarding cleaning up installations not needed, but please be careful as whatever you decide to uninstall with it is final.

Please post back if more help is needed and how you are progressing.

kind regards,

I found this site: http://www.whatsmyipaddress.com/ when you go to the site it automatically comes up with your ip and gives a map on the right. Is this a map to your Internet Provider's address like you said that's what your ip points to. Or is this site actually trying to point to my address? I don't see any streets I know of on there. I do know my neighboorhood streets use to be called other names. So with you is it pointing to your address area or your ip's address?


Hi Toruser

I just tried your link. And on the map it pointed at a city that lies roughly 300km away from where i am sitting. So I guess it points to my ISP.


Regards Abydos

Abydos wrote:
I just tried your link. And on the map it pointed at a city that lies roughly 300km away from where i am sitting.


You are correct Abydos, it did the same for me.

kind regards, :thumbup:
Hi toruser, Since we don't know what/how your friend went about the work of "cloning", it would be pretty hard to guess what is going on. Usually, when applications do not appear in the Control Panel - Add/Remove, it is because of a Registry Entry glitch. the "fix" can get kinda detailed and complex. Please start a New Topic in the Windows Forum if you want additional assistance with that problem. Note: Most new hard drives come with a CD enclosed to be used for "migrating" the entire contents of the old hard drive, onto the new hard drive. I have never had any difficulty after using the included CD for migrations. Don't know what your friend did though. Yes, the IP "points to the location of the ISP. But it starts getting the investigation to close into your city or neighborhood. With a few more steps a skilled investigator can take that information, to get even closer to you.

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