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My appologies if anyone takes anything said against thier browser, their surfing, their computer, their dogs or their cats, this is just a conversation that needs to be thought about
[ 09:39:25 ] [ @Efwis ] I had fun teh other night, was surfing the web for a neildiamond song, got nailed with a major hijacking
[ 09:39:33 ] [ @Efwis ] *Neil Diamond
[ 09:39:43 ] [ @Coyote` ] neil will do that to you
[ 09:39:54 ] [ @Coyote` ] go with Pink Floyd next time
[ 09:40:45 ] [ @Efwis ] heh, hit me with 180solutions, l2m, 10 viruses 2 trojan downloaders, a java exploit, and a hompage hijack, went right around Moz and nailed IE
[ 09:40:46 ] [ @Coyote` ] it's a crying shame that no one is safe looking for things nowadays
[ 09:41:12 ] [ @Efwis ] oh I forgot ISTVbar and sidesearch
[ 09:41:41 ] [ @Coyote` ] let's say you have IE secure, and you use another browser
[ 09:42:31 ] [ @Coyote` ] this other browser allows something to happen that bypasses the first block you have built into IE say Iespyads, thus IE is now a target again through this other browser
[ 09:42:44 ] [ @Coyote` ] this IS just a theory btw
[ 09:42:51 ] [ @Coyote` ] but it is possible
[ 09:43:31 ] [ @Coyote` ] now if you go to that same site in IE, nothing happens because your first block stopped it
[ 09:43:45 ] [ @Efwis ] i'm looked in my IE_Spyad files, this page isn't even listed, although it should be, I think i will contact Eric Howes adn he can add it to his next update
[ 09:44:11 ] [ @Coyote` ] are you in the classroom?
[ 09:44:18 ] [ @Efwis ] yeah, your theory has merit adn is probably quite accurate
[ 09:44:22 ] [ @Efwis ] yes I am
[ 09:44:32 ] [ @Coyote` ] have you been keeping up with wng_z3r0's problem that I have posted to?
[ 09:44:45 ] [ @Efwis ] no, got a link?
[ 09:44:53 ] [ @Coyote` ] http://forums.tomcoy...ndpost&p=137765
[ 09:45:08 ] [ @Coyote` ] took 4 pages of posts to finally get to the root of the problem
[ 09:45:26 ] [ @Efwis ] looking
[ 09:45:41 ] [ @Coyote` ] his shell browser covering IE allowed something IE wouldn't
[ 09:46:31 ] [ @Coyote` ] not so much a theory anymore
[ 09:48:00 ] [ @bozodog ] are you saying that Mozilla can let stuff through to IE and beyond?
[ 09:48:50 ] [ @Coyote` ] I am not saying anything about moz, I am saying it is a possibility that an alternate browser can let things bypass to IE and therefore cause problems
[ 09:49:44 ] [ @Coyote` ] and by them bypassing to IE, IE's protections can be bypassed that normally wouldn't if IE was in use instead of the alternate
[ 09:50:29 ] [ @bozodog ] err.. I think I understand
[ 09:51:01 ] [ @Coyote` ] it's like a layer effect, you have layers of protections you set in place, using an alternate browser, you can possibly bypass a layer
or two which in turn can lead to your being infected
[ 09:51:36 ] [ @Coyote` ] it may not go in the front door but it might find a side window
[ 09:51:37 ] [ @bozodog ] Ahh..
[ 09:52:45 ] [ @Coyote` ] I won't say that it is possible with any particular browser, I think in fact it may be possible with any browser
[ 09:53:03 ] [ @Coyote` ] but this is only theory at this point
[ 09:53:24 ] [ @Coyote` ] some script kiddie will strive to make it happen on a regular basis eventually
[ 09:54:10 ] [ @bozodog ] sounds like a solid thought... they are getting better at mucking up our systems..
[ 09:54:36 ] [ @Coyote` ] well, the problem itself goes back to windows,
[ 09:54:53 ] [ @Coyote` ] windows is made to accomodate users of limited knowledge
[ 09:55:06 ] [ @bozodog ] but doesn't your AV, etc... do it's job in that case?
[ 09:55:09 ] [ @Coyote` ] so that in itself is preyed upon by the kiddies
[ 09:55:36 ] [ @Coyote` ] AV is only one part of an overall solution and it lacks a great deal of the overall protection
[ 09:56:07 ] [ @Coyote` ] the AV chosen also plays a part in how that is defined
[ 09:56:42 ] [ @Coyote` ] several AV's have weak real time scanning engines that fail at the sight of any infection
[ 09:57:15 ] [ @Coyote` ] real time scanning engines are the only way to truly combat virus and trojans
[ 09:57:28 ] [ @bozodog ] I only use Avast free... and spywareblaster etc..
[ 09:57:42 ] [ @Coyote` ] I have not tried Avast
[ 09:57:51 ] [ @Coyote` ] so I cannot comment on it
[ 09:58:27 ] [ @bozodog ] it sure updates often, (2-3 times a day at times)
[ 09:58:51 ] [ @Coyote` ] I hope that is because they are adding to the database and not correcting mistakes
[ 09:58:58 ] [ @bozodog ] and scares the heck outa me when some baddie trys to get in
[ 09:59:15 ] [ @bozodog ] yeah, it's data
[ 09:59:34 ] [ @Coyote` ] well, you can't tell from the updating
[ 09:59:53 ] [ @Coyote` ] you would have to disect each dataflow
[ 10:00:03 ] [ @Coyote` ] and know what coding they use
[ 10:00:51 ] [ @Efwis ] from looking at that post, i wouold say you are correct Tom, no longer a theory but a proven fact
[ 10:01:15 ] [ @bozodog ] of course I don't surf the back alleys, or p2p stuff
[ 10:01:24 ] [ @Coyote` ] well, fact for his situation, theory for other browsers at this point
[ 10:01:52 ] [ @Coyote` ] bozodog look at what happened to Efwis looking for a neil diamond song
[ 10:01:59 ] [ @Efwis ] based on what happened to me its a fact for Moz too
[ 10:02:01 ] [ @bozodog ] yep
[ 10:02:30 ] [ @bozodog ] do you use Moz of FF?
[ 10:02:31 ] [ @Coyote` ] I hate it when I am correct about some of these theories but I am right too many times
[ 10:02:48 ] [ @Efwis ] i went there with my IE yesterday, nothing happened, all my protections worked correctly
[ 10:03:13 ] [ @bozodog ] you're like a hound dog.. you can sniff out problems
[ 10:03:13 ] [ @Efwis ] so I am inclined to believe it is something actually programmed into the html code
[ 10:03:40 ] [ @Efwis ] he is good at what he does, and I like his info, because he usually is correct bd
[ 10:04:23 ] [ @bozodog ] don't I know it... he knows I have the highest respect for what he says
If you have any more questions for me, feel free to post them. I'll do my best to answer.
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