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[Peter1]

I learned from the video -TY.

I am looking for a CPU that has a built in graphics card not one that requires a dedicated card as I may have to get that later - correct?

The mother board or CPU could have room for a video card later - correct?

So the cooler, and the room for the card, likely require a tall tower- correct?

 

What I am doing is going to PCpartspicker and trying to build a desktop that would replace my Dell as it is 4 1/2 years old. I would like a better one as you have.

[terry1966]

in my opinion you only want to be looking at new 6th generation intel skylake cpu's, socket 1151 or lga 1151 (same thing.), like the 2 cpu's i've listed in earlier posts or in the below link.

http://www.newegg.co...N=-1&isNodeId=1

only reason to look at older generation intel cpu's is if you're budget limited.

 

i expect all new cpu's you'll be looking at will have a built in gpu (graphics processor.) and the motherboards you'll want to be looking at must have onboard graphics capabilities "cpu dependent." because you don't want a dedicated graphics card at the moment.

 

all motherboards will have a pci-e x16 slot so be able to fit a dedicated graphics card if you decide you want one at a later date.

you should probably stick to atx or micro atx size motherboards.

 

no you won't need a tall tower case, a mid tower case like the one listed or shown in the video will be large enough for nearly anything you're likely to be looking at, but if you prefer bigger cases or think you'll need a bigger case for some reason then now is the time to buy it.

 

if you definitely want an after market cooler then i'd suggest this (not cheap.) :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835181036

or this (much cheaper.) :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103099

 

 

I would like a better one as you have.

 

my pc is over 7 years old, was a ferrari in it's day though, so still does a good enough job at the moment for what i use a pc for now to not justify me building myself a newer system, even though i'd really love a pc as fast as the one i just built for my daughter so am trying to talk myself into a new pc too. 

 

Edited by terry1966, 23 February 2016 - 05:23 PM.

[Peter1]

6th generation and built in GPU or on board graphics capability is noted.

I assume after market cooler just means one you get after you have built your PC and want a new video card.

I am browsing and trying to compile a list. i will let you know when it is complete. it will take a while.

[terry1966]

 

I assume after market cooler just means one you get after you have built your PC and want a new video card.

no it is a heatsink/cooler you buy and install during the build instead of using intels stock heatsink/cooler that comes with the cpu, also some cpu's are sold without a stock cooler so you need to buy a separate heatsink anyway.

 

with heatsink :- http://www.newegg.co...7-562-_-Product

without heatsink :- http://www.newegg.co...7-561-_-Product

 

[Peter1]

I see the difference in the specs but they don't use the term cooler - they say it does or does not include a heat sink and fan

 

Does the word cooler involve an extra component besides the heat sink and fan?

 

Is one of the words; heat sink or fan, analogous to cooler as the term cooler per se is not listed.

 

Or is it simply, what you need, either comes with the CPU or it doesn't?

 

In post # 33 I meant to say a new cooler not video card. AS the kids say today. this is my first rodeo so to be precise one has to get the appropriate nomenclature. 

Edited by Peter1, 24 February 2016 - 12:11 PM.

[terry1966]

"cooler" is some type of a heatsink either with or without a fan because that is what the heatsink is for. ie. to keep the cpu cool. without one the cpu or gpu(on  graphics cards) would burn up in seconds.

 

cpu water cooled type :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835181036

cpu air cooled type :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103099

intels stock cooler/ heatsink is shown being fitted in the earlier video.

 

so every time you've mentioned cooler eg.

 

So the cooler, and the room for the card, likely require a tall tower- correct?

 

i've assumed you knew and were talking about the a cpu's heatsink and fan combo and wanted better cooling than what the stock heatsink provides.

 

[terry1966]

just to clarify from your earlier post.
 

6th generation and built in GPU or on board graphics capability is noted.

that should say

6th generation and built in GPU AND on board graphics capability is noted.

because you will not get any onboard graphics without the motherboard having the correct video output connections and the cpu having a built in gpu today unlike in times past where the motherboards had the gpu chips built into them.
 

[Peter1]

There is a CPU with a heat sink and fan, or at least the heatsink. That would be a cooler on top of the CPU - the heat sink to dissipate the heat and the fan to blow it away. 

 

Some builds have a heat sink that you can put a more expensive or at least a different cooler/fan on top.

 

You can enhance the cooling  with a water  cooler type.

I am trying to put in words that I can identify with but am learning the vernacular, too.

 

I am glad you advised me about the GPU not  being on board. I thought many people get a board with a GPU built in and leave room for a card when they can better afford it.   "past where the motherboards had the GPU chips built into them"

​That implies the GPU is not on board.  Those cards are $300.00+ .

I read about a person who got all the parts at PCPartsPIcker and had a in store pick up. She had an on board GPU as the cost of the Video card was so high - she plans to get a card later.

Edited by Peter1, 24 February 2016 - 02:46 PM.

[terry1966]

think your still not fully understanding.

 

the cpu + gpu chips used to be big but over time they have shrunk to such a degree that now both are built into the cpu chip itself and why motherboards no longer have a gpu chip built into them for onboard graphics but they do still need to have the video connections built on them to connect to a monitor, some motherboards to save money will not have those connections either because they are made to be used with a dedicated graphics card. (must admit haven't seen one like that recently either now i think on it.)

 

so when you buy a new cpu it will have graphics capabilities built into it (usually) and when you buy a motherboard it will have the monitor connections built into that, put both together and you have onboard graphics capabilities and do not need a dedicated graphics card but can add one later if desired for better graphical performance.

 

with all builds it is up to you what cooling solution your going to use for the cpu, most cpu's come with a manufacturers heatsink and fan but usually people who build their own pc's either want to overclock the cpu to get better performance out of it, this creates more heat from the cpu and requires a better cooling solution than the stock heatsink is capable of dissipating, or just want to keep the cpu as cool as possible in the hopes it will increase the life time of the cpu, it will, but not enough to make a difference from the stock cooler because the pc will be renewed before it breaks usually anyway, (just like your doing with your dell), and that's why they fit an aftermarket cpu cooler.

 

 

watch the video again and you will see the first thing fitted is the cpu chip into the cpu socket. then you fit whatever cooling solution you have decided on, in the video he fits the stock heatsink and fan that came with the cpu.

 

a link that will give you an idea on the difference in size between a stock heatsink and a popular aftermarket one :- http://blog.logicali...ick-a-good-one/

Edited by terry1966, 24 February 2016 - 04:29 PM.

[Peter1]

I am feeling badly that you are doing do much work. I think the key is overclocking  as far as the after market cooling is concerned.

It appears that under normal use the CPU/GPU can have an adequate  stock  cooling system.

You certainly have a wealth of knowledge that I am sure the forum welcomes and appreciates it.  I want to watch the video and read the notes again.

Unless a person is rich it seems not to pay to have very expensive build b/c in no time it is old stuff.

That is why I am getting my wife the Chromebook. it satisfies her needs, updates itself so it is never old and being a browser does not need repair and maintenance.

I still need a PC but have to step back and take a realistic look at all the variables.

TY

[terry1966]

 

I am feeling badly that you are doing do much work

don't it's not a problem.

 

 

I still need a PC but have to step back and take a realistic look at all the variables.

like i've said before $ is the biggest variable.

 

a last generation intel cpu build is cheaper with minimum difference in performance (you'd never notice it.) than the newest skylake cpu build or you can have an 8 core amd build that will also give you a good pc on a budget.

 

main thing is knowing the budget and then deciding on how best to spend it.

 

$560 8 core amd build. :- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tqd8Lk

that i could get down to $450 or less probably by making only slight adjustments to parts list.

 

 

Unless a person is rich it seems not to pay to have very expensive build b/c in no time it is old stuff.

you build the best that you can afford at the time, simple really and never build a pc thinking you can upgrade the cpu or something in a couple of years because like you said things get old quickly in the electronics world so by the time you come to upgrade something it's usually not cost effective and you might as well start a new build anyway.

 

Edited by terry1966, 24 February 2016 - 06:39 PM.

[Peter1]

Money seems to be lurking everywhere as the prime motivator.

 

I am glad we had this thread to reflect back upon as i learned a lot and want to read more of it again. I will evaluate all the options, including money and be back at you. I hope the mods have read this and realize the large help you are to the forum with your depth of knowledge.

If I build I will run it by you and likely take the advice you gave me in the last post. Tomorrow I see a specialist in "C" to determine my future. A lot will depend upon that as I have had an extensive history but something just popped up on a test which requires a second look.

TY

Peter

[terry1966]