44 replies to this topic

[terry1966]

yes that cable adaptor will work fine because the signal out is also an analog signal with s-video/rca(or composite) connections, in my opinion.

[Amit Khan]

Okay good! Now we're getting somewhere. At the very least, this is something i can fall back to.

[Nahumi]

Hey,

I have had a look at the HDFury (posted by terry) before. It doesn't convert the digital signal into an analog signal, it only passes back a HDCP handshake.

I found a similar cable :

http://www.amazon.co...b...1450&sr=8-1

Which does exactly the same job as the adapters you've already bought. All the reviews mention some particular instructions on the back that you have to follow to get it to work. Again, this cable is not changing a digital signal into an analog signal.

So in theory, it should all work. But I'm not entirely sure why it's not...

[terry1966]

Nahumi

hdcp isn't supported on a vga connection if i read this correctly. :- http://en.wikipedia....port_by_version

so that's probably what the fury and that cable circumvent.

reviews on that cable tho, leave a lot to be desired. http://www.amazon.co...nDateDescending

Amit Khan

from what i've read the cable you linked and i said should work, won't either,(knew but forgot that too)
you need To convert from compoent video (YPrPb) to VGA (rgbhv) so will need a converter box like this:- http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_cp_ce_1
or this
http://www.climaxdig...rter-Transcoder

Edited by terry1966, 08 February 2011 - 10:28 AM.

[Amit Khan]

For now, I think i'll stay with the vga to composite adapter. Only because my budget is low, and this is basically a cheap option that will get the job done (hopefully). I'll post whether it works or not later.

[Nahumi]

Yeah, you're right terry, VGA does not support HDCP. Although some monitors that support DVI will also support HDCP. Doing a bit more digging, I'm not entirely sure that the lack of HDCP will be the problem. It should only affect Bluray playback, but I'm not sure if it affects games or anything else. A Component to VGA box will to the job, but it won't support a HD resolution. The video might also look a bit washed out. (VGA defines how bright the picture is, whereas Component doesn't). To be honest, I think at this point I'm just going to have to apologise about it not working. I had read a tutorial prior to my first post which gave very similar advice regarding the use of adaptors. In hindsight, your best option would be to just use a TV for now. You're not going to get any half decent resolutions on a monitor that just has a VGA connection. A DVI connection would work fine (because HDMI and DVI are essentially the same cable), but although some people have reported that a HDMI-DVI-VGA solution works... I think in this particular case it wont. Again, sorry for giving you conflicting and obviously useless advice, Nahumi

[Amit Khan]

Thanks for trying!

[terry1966]

A Component to VGA box will to the job, but it won't support a HD resolution.

yes they will Nahumi,

see this link:- http://www.climaxdig...rter-Transcoder

[Lee]

You want fun on monitor issues? Go here
http://forums.whatth...howtopic=115347

[Nahumi]

A Component to VGA box will to the job, but it won't support a HD resolution.

yes they will Nahumi,

see this link:- http://www.climaxdig...rter-Transcoder

Yeah, it's capable of supporting full HD, but in this case you won't get it.

http://store.a2zcable.com/hdcaba.html

Go down to the portion about the PS3. The component cable is only able to support up to 1080i, not 1080p. Other people have also said that it will only support up to 720p, which arguably isn't much of an HD resolution.

[terry1966]

Nahumi,

i just thought i'd tell you that you were correct(which you knew anyway) and the vga input on most monitors is capable of receiving both a digital and analog signal(something i knew, but my memory plays games with me at times, it was the older crt monitors that didn't have that capability built in, because they didn't need it at the time.)

so the hdmi cable with adaptors would of worked with most devices connected to the monitor, but it seems the ps3 has a feature built in that it will not output any signal on hdmi to any device if it doesn't support the hdcp signal,
and that's the only reason why it wouldn't work, and why special adaptors like that cable or the fury are needed.

If a device that is not compatible with the HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) standard is connected to the system using an HDMI cable, video and/or audio cannot be output from the system.

http://manuals.plays...ideooutput.html

Edited by terry1966, 11 February 2011 - 03:50 PM.

[Digerati]

i just thought i'd tell you that you were correct(which you knew anyway) and the vga input on most monitors is capable of receiving both a digital and analog signal(something i knew, but my memory plays games with me at times, it was the older crt monitors that didn't have that capability built in, because they didn't need it at the time.)

No, it is right say the vast majority of VGA is analog only. That's because VGA is analog. Don't confuse HD, high definition, with digital. You can have HD VGA and you can adapt analog to digital and back, but VGA is an analog source. Some "new" monitors often come with just DVI or HDMI inputs. But you then use a VGA (D-Sub) to DVI adapter to convert the cable, and the monitor has the necessary converter in its circuitry.

[terry1966]

my memory playing tricks with me again then.. i thought the newer monitors had the circuitry built into them(have for years now) so that they could decode the digital signal from hdmi and dvi through their vga connection.

[Digerati]

i thought the newer monitors had the circuitry built into them(have for years now) so that they could decode the digital signal from hdmi and dvi through their vga connection.

Nope. The other way around. VGA is phasing out. And DVI carries the exact same digital signal as HDMI so DVI is phasing out too. Many of the newest cards only have digital (DVI or HDMI) but because CRT monitors are analog only, the analog signal is converted in the card.

[terry1966]

bloody memory.. yep it's the card that can output both analog and digital through the dvi connection.