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[Peter1]

TY for the second post as I can now see the parts.

 

I notice the board has HDMI but my monitor does not have it, I would use DVI which I assume it has.

 

Also, I ope the case is open on the side and loaded on the side which it appears it is.

Edited by Peter1, 20 February 2016 - 08:06 AM.

[terry1966]

It was suggested to me if I may, that I get 750 Watt PSU, What do you think?

over kill for the system but there really is no harm in getting a psu with more watts, 750 and up are what i'd use for systems with more than a single gpu usually.
 
think the power usage of the parts i listed come to about 150 watts max so a 500/550 watt psu still has plenty of spare capacity for you to add a gpu later if required.
 

I also wanted; blue tooth (for use with my phone), hyper-threading, WiFi, internet, 64 byte and importantly legacy in the UEFI in the board as it makes booting so much easier for a relative novice. Is there a way to know ahead of buying whether the board  it has legacy or not?

all motherboards have the capability to boot in legacy mode and internet abilities, i'll change the motherboard choice so it has built in wifi/blutooth.

i5's do not have hyperthreading you need an i7 for that and to be honest it's not something i think you need but if you want it then have it and i'll choose a different cpu for you too.
 

Would a cooler be something the build could benefit from?

cooler is always better but in real terms it is not something i'd say would offer any benefit to most people but it's something i always add to my builds anyway.
 

How does the warranty work ? I go to the manufacturer per his warranty?

if memory serves over here for the first year you can return it to where you bought it and they must replace it after that first year you contact the manufacturer directly and get an rma then they will either fix or replace the item.
 
to be honest peter i think i've only had to use a warranty 1ce or 2ce in my life, usually if the item is faulty it will be faulty from the time you get it and show up in the build process then you just use the sellers 30 day guarantee/returns policy to get them to change it. last items i remember being faulty were both hard drives, can't remember having problems with things like cpu, motherboard, memory etc. and the warranty i did use last was for a psu if i remember correctly which died after about 2 years.
 

Do you think a prebuilt has any merit for a novice?

not really but then again you don't have the risk of building it yourself and making any mistakes that may kill the hardware plus you have a one stop location to go to for any problems with it. personally i have only bought 1 or 2 prebuilt systems and never had a problem with them so if that is the route you want to take, go for it lots of people do.
 

may I ask how did you compile this as I have been trying for days. I was at PCPartsPicker but could not find my saved list when I clicked on "my saved parts".  Did you do it based upon your past experience or is it something I could have done?

first thing you do is decide on what size your going to be building. atx, (normal size).

micro atx (slightly smaller) more or less the same as atx just slightly smaller motherboard.

mini itx (small) and needs special parts usually like smaller psu's etc and space is very limited so needs to be well thought out in advance otherwise all parts won't fit.

 

next decide on cpu and socket type you want your build to be, eg. newest skylake intel cpu's are socket 1151, means the cpu has 1151 connections/pins on it so needs a motherboard that has the same so then you look at motherboards that only use socket 1151, from there you look at the motherboard to see what ram it supports and if the specs and capabilities have what you want. eg. usb 3, sata 3, wifi etc. etc.

 

nothing really complicated but the choices out there can be overwhelming, and why lots of people buy from a place that will build it for them and only offers a select few choices to custom build it for them, like in some of those sites i linked to earlier, where you start off with a base system and then choose cpu etc from the list they give you.

 

 

I notice the board has HDMI but my monitor does not have it, I would use DVI which I assume it has.

the board has both dvi and hdmi connections.

 

 

Also, I ope the case is open on the side and loaded on the side which it appears it is.

not 100% sure what you mean by this or what difference it makes but most pc's are opened and motherboard fitted from the left side of the case.

with my own full tower case you can pull the back and motherboard tray out (holds motherboard) to make fitting things easier not that i do that because it's more hassle than it's worth in my opinion so i build from the side anyway. lol

 

 

Maybe I can show you the build via Skype so you can tell me where some tricky cable goes?

i have no objections to that if you decide to build your own, but in all honesty you really won't have any problems when you read the motherboard manual, everything is explained in easy to follow steps with good diagrams usually.

main thing is make sure the leds (case lights) are connected + to + and - to - to the motherboard pins for them otherwise you'll burn them out, power and reset make no difference and everything else can only be connected 1 way because of socket/plug design so shouldn't be a problem.

 

new cpu choice with hyperthreading :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819117560

new motherboard choice with blutooth and wifi. :- http://www.newegg.co...2-568-_-Product

 

adds about $300 to total cost.

 

Edited by terry1966, 21 February 2016 - 12:38 AM.

[Peter1]

Terri you have done so much work I am embarrassed.

I will mull things over and consider all you have told me..

As you said it can be confusing from beginning to end but I will come to a resolve.

I'll surely be in touch and thank you so much.

I have kept out correspondences to look over.

Peter  

[Peter1]

terrry

I was trying to keep things simple and noticed my i5 has hyper threading.  So, maybe we could keep an i5? 

 

Also, I could easily attach a dongle or card for Bluetooth which only leaves WiFi. Maybe we could use your original build/motherboard  if WiFi was not an issue.

I wonder if most desktops have WiFi? 

 

I  do not understand why a desktop would have WiFi as the router broadcasts to the other devices. Could you explain?

Which would you go for WiFi or not?   

I know I seem fussy but it is a rather large investment for me.

 

Regarding the case all I  meant was when you look at a PC you can see into it through one clear side. Also if you want to work on it it would be nice to open a side panel to do so.

 

 I am trying to keep your original configuration if possible. 

 

****I am editing b/c although it says it has hyper threading, it does not appear in the BIOS. 

Whoops, further edit there is no hyper threading with an i5 sorry about all this.

I don't know if hyper threading is a thing to have as I have not had it and I do two things at once.

Please give me a candid opinion about the above three issues.

 

Maybe i5 is adequate for my needs and your build is what to go with.

If we do not need a cooler and these three are advisable we could go with your build.

If this was your pc would you use the build as it is or go higher?

Edited by Peter1, 22 February 2016 - 10:18 AM.

[terry1966]

main thing peter is what amount you'd like to spend maximum.

 

desktops only need wifi if you want to connect to the router via wifi or if your to far from the router to connect a cable but you said you wanted wifi and bluetooth in your build and why the more expensive motherboard with everything built in.

 

like you say you can stick to the parts i first listed and then add this for wifi and bluetooth ability :- http://www.amazon.co...0/dp/B005QUQPDA

 

or if you only need bluetooth then you can add something like this :- http://www.amazon.co...rd_i=B0013BFQUE

 

as you can see there are lots of options and different ways to get the same results.

 

for instance you could save yourself $90 on the first parts list just by not having the ssd os drive, it's not essential to the build but is a "nice to have" option for a more responsive pc experience.

 

if this was my build i'd build to my maximum budget whatever it was, if it was a high enough budget to get an i7 instead of an i5 i would BUT i would also be happy getting an i5 if the budget didn't allow for an i7.

 

you personally wouldn't know the difference between using an i5 or i7 cpu in my opinion because you don't really use even the i5 to it's full potential (neither do i much any more.) from what i understand you do on your pc.

 

i7's really just save a bit of time when doing cpu intensive things like video encoding, an i5 does the same job but it just takes that little bit longer to do it.

an i5 is still more than powerful enough to be doing more than 1 thing at a time on a pc like browsing the internet while watching a video for example.

 

to be honest that listed i5 build would blow my current i7 920 x58 pc out of the water speed wise even though my i7 has hyperthreading so is seen as an 8 core cpu.   

 

that i5 vs my i7 :- http://cpu.userbench...6500/1981vs3513

 

[Peter1]

I do not to access my router with WiFi  and can get a BT dongle/card later. 

The SSD is fine and I learned along time ago to live within my budget. I have your build aside and when I have the wherewithal I will let you know so I can take you up on your offer.

The conflicting part is that my wife said go for a build that will make you happy even if it is another 4-500 dollars. in the course of our lifetime it would be worth it.

I do think the i7 and better board with cooler would be great but could never coordinate building one. I went to PCparts picker but when I went to see the parts I put aside, they were not there. if I wanted to build another higher end one, how do I go about it?   Do I go to micro center and collect parts or to another site. How do I know if they are compatible.

I know I am waffling but the build you made would do, but the higher end would be great if I knew how to coordinate the parts on my own.

Thanks for listening again.

[terry1966]

so really you don't need wifi but still want the best system you can afford.

my advice is get a dedicated graphics card. eg. :- http://www.newegg.co...5-813-_-Product

 

to add to original parts list which adds about $150 and if you still have money left to spend then change the listed i5 to the listed i7 cpu taking you to a total of about $950 i believe.

 

once i have a list of my parts i either search online for the cheapest or if i'm lazy just buy them from a single reputable online store like dabs, overclockers, or amazon if possible.

 

for you i'd guess that would be newegg, tiger direct or amazon sites or just take the list into micro center and buy from them, you said they'd build it for you free of charge if you bought from there.

 

as to compatibility you need to read the specifications, for example any motherboard that says socket/ LGA 1151 is compatible with the cpu's listed.

 

if your not sure post a link and we'll check for you or if you want just post a link to where you want to buy all the parts from and i'll list a build from the parts available at that store/site.

 

 

Edited by terry1966, 22 February 2016 - 12:48 PM.

[Peter1]

Hi terry

In case you like to hear new ideas, a friend of mine looked the build over and said," I  would choose a different brand storage HDD, Hitachi is not my favorite. Try Western Digital. I don't see a video card listed if you want to game. I would also select a different Power Supply like Seasonic or Antec."

 

When we speak again I will tell him I am not  gamer which I thought he knew abut me and that he knows about as much about building as I do.

 

​We will chat again when I get it all together. I want to see what i can do about assembling a list of compatible parts on my own and I'll run it by you.

Peter

[terry1966]

to be honest peter nope not interested in what your friend thinks.

but there's no problems with getting second opinions. in fact it's something i'd recommend along with doing your own research on what has been recommended.

 

hitachi (or hgst) hard drives have the best reliability ratings of any hard drives. :- https://www.backblaz...bility-q3-2015/

 

but if you want a western digital drive then there's no problem getting one of those, used to be all i'd recommend and have loads of them myself.

 

as to choice of psu again i'd stick with my choice but if you want another brand then get it, just make sure it has an 80+ bronze rating minimum, and what ever psu you want first check the make and model review here though to see if it is good or bad. :- http://www.jonnyguru.com/index.php

 

review of listed psu :- http://www.jonnyguru...Story6&reid=366

main thing your looking for is it's performance rating. 9 out of 10 for this one.

 

if i was to go with another brand i'd get this one :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817438053

review :- http://www.jonnyguru...Story6&reid=440

in fact it's the same price so i'd definitely get the evga instead of the corsair.

 

Edited by terry1966, 23 February 2016 - 02:24 AM.

[Peter1]

As I said I trust your judgement a lot more than his naivete. I was not aware that bronze silver and gold were a factor. I overlooked that but it does make sense so I'll keep an eye out for it.

[terry1966]

i wouldn't say his choices were naive, just different and not what i personally would choose as my first choice at this moment in time but lots of other experienced builders would go with what he recommended as their first choice.

 

that's the thing with building there are lots of choices out there and lots of different opinions on what the best brands are, and you can be unlucky with even the best and most reliable brand and get a part that fails sooner than it should, but in reality there are very few wrong choices as long as you stick to certain rules like, make sure the cpu, motherboard and ram are compatible also don't skimp on the psu as it is the most important part of any build so you should only buy psu's with a minimum of +80 bronze rating.

 

[Peter1]

+80 bronze.

Good to remember. I checked out your build and there it was. I now have more to go on.

TY

Edited by Peter1, 23 February 2016 - 11:11 AM.

[Peter1]

https://pcpartpicker.com/

 

terry - this is the site I was working from and noticed there are integrated CPU's. So this is a way of making the CPU part of the board instead of one installing it?

Or is it a CPU with a graphics card attached to it?

Or is it a CPU with a graphics card and all attached to the motherboard?

The definitions are ambiguous or imply intuitiveness.

If you get tired of mentoring please let me know. Also if we are to continue should we start a new thread?

 

[terry1966]

integrated cpu's usually mean the cpu is soldered straight onto the motherboard and can not be changed, only usually applies to arm cpu's or low powered intel atom cpu's as far as i'm aware and something you definitely are not looking for.

 

unless you mean cpu with integrated gpu.

 

years ago the motherboard used to have a separate graphics chip on them for the onboard graphics but now today it's the cpu's themselves that come with the graphics capability built into them and why the motherboards usually say something like onboard graphics "cpu dependent", because there are also higher powered cpu's that don't have any graphics capability built in, so in those cases you need a dedicated graphics card.

 

nope don't see a reason to start a new topic and have no problems with you asking more questions peter so you keep asking away about anything you like and i'll do my best to explain things as best i can.

 

Edited by terry1966, 23 February 2016 - 12:05 PM.

[terry1966]

here's a nice video that shows you how to build a pc. :-