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Ok this has been an on going issue with this computer. I have tried absolutely everything i can to resolve this problem. What happens is the screen will just simply go black it will have a video output issue, mostly when streaming or playing games. This has been going on ever since i rebuilt the computer. Now the graphics card that was recently in this machine was a very old 8800GT. One of the things that i did notice and this is only happened one time was that the computer beeped like every 3 seconds and the screen flashed off and on and this continued all throughout the night, i wasn't aware of it until i got up to turn it off. These are the steps that i took to solve this issue, at first i obviously thought that the graphics card was the issue, so i replace it with a competly new Radeon 6700. I installed brand new drivers, now i had to actually download these drivers because our ROM drive it self is malfunctioning for some unknown reason, so i bought a new ROM drive, it hasn't gotten here yet. But when i play disks you can clearly hear that the disks are trying to work but windows will not load anything, not even set up disks. So far i have not had the major beeping issue since i re installed a new graphics card but the computer still continues to have video output problems, i know the machine is still running because you can hear the game or the video playing in the background so the computer it self does not shut down, just the monitor, and some times it turns off completely, well other times it displays an orange colored light. The games that are being played on this pc are very low end, like FB apps, and non graphic intensive games like wizard 101 or alot free MMO's. I know the card is capable of playing all these games, and of course the video's like youtube or other streaming sites. I even checked the temps of the computer it self, they are all running very low, like 25-30 degree's and besides if it was a temp or a CPU problem, the whole machine would turn off, not just the monitor, you would also get those BSOD screens. The next step i took was I figured maybe it could be the Monitor, so i unplugged and plugged in a different monitor, the same problem was on my monitor, "no video output signal" so that rules out the possibility of a bad monitor. Yet their were a few times you can just lightly touch the cable or the monitor and it would go out, this happens quite a few times, so i came to the conclusion that it might be a bad cable or connection or something, but i was wrong because i ruled out all of those possibilities when i used a different monitor and different cables. My sister seems to think it might be the motherboard, i don't think so, first of all its very new, i just built this machine not to long ago, secondly if it was the mobo, it would not just have a video output problem, the graphics card would pick up the video. Lastly i changed the cables, the VGA cable, to a VGA cable that i know works with my other desktop computer. Still a video output problem, the only way to remedy the situation is to reset the computer. But it continues to do this, i have poured so much money into this machine, its practically brand new with a new motherboard and everything, and i got a new HD, a new Rom drive a new graphics card, RAM. My last guess would be some sort of corruption to windows it self, maybe causing the drivers to malfunction, i don't think it can be anything else besides the drivers. But i have tried reinstalling them, updating them, etc. My last options that i have not tried yet is when i get my new ROM drive, i am going to try and install the drivers directly from the disk instead of the site i got them from, and also i am going to try plugging it in a DVI cable into a DVI slot instead of using a VGA cable just in case its bad port. I have ran out of options and at a complete loss of what to do. Besides reformat the entire pc. EDIT: ok now i just reset the computer well it had a black screen and it did the beep thing again, beeping bout every 3 seconds. So i did a hard shut down and now when it boots up, it beeps once, then boots to windows like its working again, but garuntee their is going to be continious black screens i have no idea what is causing this. I am suspicious of the warning beeping, it should not be doing that and the computer is telling me their is a problem.

My sister seems to think it might be the motherboard, i don't think so, first of all its very new, i just built this machine not to long ago, secondly if it was the mobo, it would not just have a video output problem, the graphics card would pick up the video.

I would not rule out the motherboard yet but before anything else, I would swap out that PSU. It is typical of most electronics to either fail within the first few hours of use, or it lasts for years. So a new motherboard is no assurance.

Some hardware specs would be nice too.

My sister seems to think it might be the motherboard, i don't think so, first of all its very new, i just built this machine not to long ago, secondly if it was the mobo, it would not just have a video output problem, the graphics card would pick up the video.

I would not rule out the motherboard yet but before anything else, I would swap out that PSU. It is typical of most electronics to either fail within the first few hours of use, or it lasts for years. So a new motherboard is no assurance.

Some hardware specs would be nice too.


THE PSU is way more then capable of handling all the hardware in their. Its a Corsair 500 WATT i think, i would have to look at the pc and my sister is using it right now, so ill have to wait till later but i will get you those specs.

From a rough estimate, it has a i3 low core CPU like 3230, 16 GB of ram, ATI Radeon 6700, and i believe this is the motherboard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx…N82E16813131835

speaking of which this is the graphics card i just bought.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx…N82E16813131835

THE PSU is way more then capable of handling all the hardware in their. Its a Corsair 500 WATT

You are assuming it is properly working. I am not. While 500W is likely enough, and for sure, Corsair is a reputable maker, neither fact proves you didn't get a lemon. Until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be samples, even from the best makers, that fail.

Besides swapping out PSUs is a lot easier, and less risky, than swapping out motherboards.

beeping bout every 3 seconds.


sounds like a ram problem to me, what does the motherboard manual say the error is when it repeatedly beebs once?

:popcorn:

beeping bout every 3 seconds.


sounds like a ram problem to me, what does the motherboard manual say the error is when it repeatedly beebs once?

:popcorn:



Yeah thats what i thought as well, but i changed the RAM to new RAM, the motherboard is capable of holding 32 GB of RAM, i have 16 in their, both on separate channels of course. How would ram also create simple video output problems, usually if its ram the whole pc will crash, thats not the case. Its just a video output issue i am experiencing. During the "Beeping" the computer actually doesn't even shut down, the screen flickers and goes off and on though. IN which case i am obliviously forced to do a hard reset because the screen won't display.

Their are no improper shut down errors or anything like that.

@Digreti. I have a question, how is PSU problem going to cause a simple video output issue, usually if its a PSU that is bad, the whole machine will shut down, or reboot unexpectedly, go through several cycles of resetting several times, ive had these issues before with other computers.

Everything should be within warranty though. Its just a shame, i just bought this dayam machine and its already casing issues, my sister says its because i suck at building computers. Ok well that's a blow to my intelegence, i have multiple other machines that are all working just fine, and i built them all as well. I don't really wan to replace the RAM since i already did that a few times.

This is the RAM i got.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-24…mp;keywords=Ram

Is their any way that i can run some sort of tests or tools that can check for problems in drivers, that sort of thing?
both the ram and psu can cause problems with a pc's video picture display, in fact the psu or ram can cause problems with everything even tho they may not seem like they have anything at all to do with the initial problem. ;) personally i'd clean the ram slots and test the pc with a single stick of ram and see if the problem disappears (test each stick and each ram slot.), if it doesn't then i'd look elsewhere, but in my experience a motherboard giving ram beeb codes is never wrong and that has always been where the problem was. after all that's what the beeb codes are for, to tell you where a problem has been detected by the motherboard. :D :popcorn:

both the ram and psu can cause problems with a pc's video picture display, in fact the psu or ram can cause problems with everything even tho they may not seem like they have anything at all to do with the initial problem. ;)

personally i'd clean the ram slots and test the pc with a single stick of ram and see if the problem disappears (test each stick and each ram slot.), if it doesn't then i'd look elsewhere, but in my experience a motherboard giving ram beeb codes is never wrong and that has always been where the problem was.

after all that's what the beeb codes are for, to tell you where a problem has been detected by the motherboard. :D

:popcorn:


Yeah well i tested my RAM already, lat it ran through at least 15 cycles? No errors, i used the Memtest64.

@Digreti…usually if its a PSU that is bad…

Clearly, we are not dealing with "usual" symptoms here. And you are missing, or choosing to ignore the point. As I have saying repeatedly, everything depends on good, clean power, and any component (RAM, graphics, CPU, chipset, etc.) can present symptoms if that specific component does not like the out-of-tolerance voltage. Failing PSUs don't always just stop working.

The mere fact you have tried almost everything else is reason to make sure your PSU is good - if for no other reason than to eliminate it from the equation - and especially before replacing other major components.

I am not saying your PSU bad, I am saying you need to make sure it is good.

@Digreti…usually if its a PSU that is bad…

Clearly, we are not dealing with "usual" symptoms here. And you are missing, or choosing to ignore the point. As I have saying repeatedly, everything depends on good, clean power, and any component (RAM, graphics, CPU, chipset, etc.) can present symptoms if that specific component does not like the out-of-tolerance voltage. Failing PSUs don't always just stop working.

The mere fact you have tried almost everything else is reason to make sure your PSU is good - if for no other reason than to eliminate it from the equation - and especially before replacing other major components.

I am not saying your PSU bad, I am saying you need to make sure it is good.



No no, i got my ears wide open, i am just not acknowledging it. So like i said before all my components should be within warranty, so the first thing i am going to do then is swap out the PSU and see if that fixes anything, clearly ive tried everything else, if its not the PSU then it has to be the motherboard. What else can it possibly be? What i could consider doing is swap PSU's with my other desktop machine and see if i encounter any of the symptoms on my other machine. I ruled out temp problems, bad cables, video card, ram, bad monitor, corrupted drivers, their really is nothing else left to try besides replacing a new PSU if that is the problem.

But like i said one other thing i have not done yet is reformat windows, their might still be a possibility that it could be an malfunction of some type that is causing the drivers to not work correctly. Prior to this happening we had some serous virus issues in which i fixed from this site, cleaned it all up. But maybe some of the viruses caused damage to some of the system files in the windows, i don't know. Anyway for now, i am going to do what you say and swap out the PSU.

Other then waiting for a problem, isn't their a way of testing the PSU's voltage to find out if its bad or not.

you are missing, or choosing to ignore the point.

No no, i got my ears wide open, i am just not acknowledging it.

Not acknowledge, ignore. What's the difference?

It is silly to assume something manufactured is good simply because it is new - especially, as you stated, you "have tried absolutely everything…to resolve this problem ".

Other then waiting for a problem, isn't their a way of testing the PSU's voltage to find out if its bad or not.

To conclusively test a PSU, you must analyze the output while under a realistic load with an oscilloscope or power analyzer - expensive and sophisticated test equipment most home users don't have access to, know how to use or are able understand the results.

You can use a PSU Tester. But like most multimeters, these plug in testers do not test for excessive ripple and other power anomalies that affect computer stability. And the tester uses a tiny 10W resister to simulate a load - but 10 watts is not realistic. HW monitors like Speccy test while the PSU is under load, but they don't test for power anomalies. So testers and HW monitors are better than nothing, but NOT conclusive.

So that brings us back to my original suggestion The only and best way for home users to test a PSU is by swapping in a known good one.

Anyway for now, i am going to do what you say and swap out the PSU.

Good! :) And while it may not resolve your problem, it will at least eliminate your PSU as a possible cause. It will also force you to recheck and secure all connections. Just be sure to observe proper ESD precautions while digging around inside your case.

you are missing, or choosing to ignore the point.

No no, i got my ears wide open, i am just not acknowledging it.

Not acknowledge, ignore. What's the difference?

It is silly to assume something manufactured is good simply because it is new - especially, as you stated, you "have tried absolutely everything…to resolve this problem ".

Other then waiting for a problem, isn't their a way of testing the PSU's voltage to find out if its bad or not.

To conclusively test a PSU, you must analyze the output while under a realistic load with an oscilloscope or power analyzer - expensive and sophisticated test equipment most home users don't have access to, know how to use or are able understand the results.

You can use a PSU Tester. But like most multimeters, these plug in testers do not test for excessive ripple and other power anomalies that affect computer stability. And the tester uses a tiny 10W resister to simulate a load - but 10 watts is not realistic. HW monitors like Speccy test while the PSU is under load, but they don't test for power anomalies. So testers and HW monitors are better than nothing, but NOT conclusive.

So that brings us back to my original suggestion The only and best way for home users to test a PSU is by swapping in a known good one.

Anyway for now, i am going to do what you say and swap out the PSU.

Good! :) And while it may not resolve your problem, it will at least eliminate your PSU as a possible cause. It will also force you to recheck and secure all connections. Just be sure to observe proper ESD precautions while digging around inside your case.



I guess not acknowledging, is the wrong choice of words. I was hearing what you were saying, i just wanted to make sure i got enough information from you before created a solid reply.

Well when i get the new Hard drive and ROM drive, i will be installing those as well, honestly i don't see how these components could go out so quickly. Then again i am not monitoring the pc 24/7, its more of a family pc, so lots of kids, my sister has access to it also, my job is to just fix it when its broken. Another thing i failed to mention is recently we have had some pretty bad lightening storms and i had all of the plugs hooked up to one of those power strips you know. But i don't think its as good as a real serge protector, but in any case i just wanted to mention that. But i will say that some of these issues have been ongoing ever before the lightening storms so i really don't know.

Which brings me to another discussion, i have had another issue with USB ports malfunctions, i know the first thing some one will say is to download the renesounse USB 3.0 drivers. I have done that and i still have issues with it, when i plug in any device, software, thumb drives, what ever just flash off and on, on the screen almost like they are not working, its obviously the USB ports thats causing this. But i am guessing this is either a driver issue as well or tied into the motherboard, because the outside ports look fine, no bent prongs, no bad connection issues or nothing. I have clearly looked at this. So that is another thing ive lived with for a while. For example, i have a phone that i use to plug into the computer via USB. Every now and then the terminal software on the computer will flash off and on and no one can call in, it just goes straight to the email but anyways that indicates a bad USB connection. Its not just one paticular USB connection either, its several of them throughout the computer. Some times they work, some times they don't, that is the best way i can describe it.

Part of me is hoping to god that this is just a driver issue and not a motherboard failure. Its a shame because only like 5 months ago i built this machine, its all new and its already breaking down, ive had to replace so many things already. Found out that the RAM was initially bad because it would lock up and freeze, but of course the ram that was in it was not new, so i guess that was to be expected, but eventually i upgraded everything to the point of where every component in that machine is new, the last upgrade i did was the video card. But i am still having issues with USB ports not working correctly, the rom drive just suddenly not able to load a disk?, that was very recent actually and lastly the video output issues with the warning beep signal.
I just wanted to mention that the PSU in that machine is a Raidmax, not a corsair, my desktop computer has the corsair, that machine has a raidmax, just wanted to make that clear. I am actually going to call them right now and see if i can get that replaced. As far as the USB issue, im not really sure, unless i replace the motherboard, but my god brand new pc i built, i am practically rebuilding the entire thing again in that case.
Well now the machine is showing signs up just freezing, i was installing a software, letting it update and simply just opened a few folders and the entire windows OS froze, i had to do a had to do an improper shutdown to fix it.I previously told you that it has 16 gb of ram well i was wrong, it has 8 gb. So obviously their is some type of freezing going on here, my motherboard as i linked above, has two 4 GB ram sticks in the BLUE channel, not the BLACK channel. That should be the fastest channel for memory speed. Like i also said i did test my ram and found no defaults, so my guess is their could be a serous OS corruption. Their is also the possibility since we had lightening storms that the HDD could be malfunctioning as well, its kind of strange for all these thing to happen all at once, including the ROM drive suddenly not working. I am getting the new hardware on the 21st, in which time i will try and replace the hard drive and the ROM drive and see if that fixes some things, but i am not sure bout the video output issue.

I will have to purchase a new PSU since apparently i can't locate where i bought it from. But i want to rule out other possibilities such as windows corruption before i decide to spend any more money on this blasted machine. Brand new machine i built no less them 4-5 months ago and its already causing me this much hassle.


Do you think i should do a DDS scan and report that on the forums here again. I wanted to mention that during one of the improper shutdowns that i did have a very strange occurrence happen, something i have never seen before ever. A box that looked kind of like divx popped up on the task bar and disappeared and reappeared several times it did that and then right in the very top left corner of the screen, i could swore that i saw a CAM pop out of no where for a few seconds, like a video of some sort and something or someone moving and then it disappeared. What in the heck could that be? Could i have a possible hyjacker attempt. I do know that just recently my sister's friend, 9 years old accidentally went to a porn site when she was looking up her mail, instead typing mail.com, she type male.com. That is really all i know that happened recently, my sister told me bout it.

But their might be several issues going on, hardware and software related issues, i really do not know. I guess a reformat would be the most plausible solution but it will take me some time to back up 160 gb of data on their drive.



EDIT:OK hear is the deal, after rebooting into safe mode, alot of the symtoms, freezes, crashes with windows just stopped so i decided to open a thread for DDS, find out if their is any corruption with windows in general or viruses, maleware, most likely damaged system files. I am sure this is not the bulk of the problems though i just want to make sure the HD is completely clean. Its very suspicious to me that the computer runs fine in safe mode, no freezes, no crashes and the dl speed is normal as well. As far as video output problems i dont know, and then again the ROM drive still does not work either. Anyways you can find the link here:

http://forums.whatthetech.com/index.php?showtopic=126767
Until malware removal clears your machine - all other troubleshooting should go on hold so any changes don't skew their findings.

Surge and spike protectors are little more than fancy and expensive extension cords. All computers should be on a "good" UPS with AVR - automatic voltage regulation.

Raidmax are not known for quality PSUs.

two 4 GB ram sticks in the BLUE channel, not the BLACK channel

There are no standards for color coding RAM slots. You need to follow the guidelines in your motherboard manual for installing RAM on your specific board.

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