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Anyone know model numbers of the last (i.e. most recent) AMD processor, and compatible Gigabyte or Asus motherboards that are known to work for one or both of these operating systems. Please note I intentionally worded this question as specific as possible, meaning I have no interest in anything else (for example, virtual stuff).
Post #2
Most Recent processor and mobo? That's an interesting question. I've installed both on many PIII and P IV Intels and on a variety of AMD machines. But never thought about the most recent or advanced hardware that could be used. Any single-core chip and DDR Dimm should work. I've never even thought about trying those OS with multi-core or DDR2 or 3 What is your goal or purpose?
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Windows 2000 Professional & Windows 98.

Motherboards, regardless of brand are either compatible with Intel or AMD but not both. Gigabyte and Asus make boards to suit either.

The current sockets used by AMD for its desktop processors are now Socket AM3 and Socket AM3+ and the new Socket FM1 for AMD's latest Llano range of CPUs. Intel's current sockets are Socket LGA775, Socket LGA1366 and Socket LGA1156.

AMD CPUs are backward (and often forward) compatible by at least one socket type. If you upgrade an Intel motherboard you also need to upgrade your CPU.
Many computer owners run AMD systems because they can upgrade their board without having to also upgrade their CPU which makes AMD the cheapest system to run long term.

Performance wise, the difference between an AMD or an Intel system is mostly academic and has no real-world relevance.

Recommending a particular Gigabyte or ASUS motherboard would be pointless as it would depend on what sort of usage it was needed for or features required. Both an Intel or AMD system (any socket type) will run Windows 2000 or 98, either by themselves or on dual or triple boot operating systems.

Cheers,
Lee

PS Edit:
As far as 98 goes (and to a lesser degree 2000), don't expect to find all connected hardware (printers, cameras, scanners etc to be compatible (often no 98 drivers available) and you will also be restricted to USB 1 (very slow). A lot of today's software programs won't run on 98 either. But sure, 98 and 2000 will run on modern computers, but with software and hardware choice restrictions. And like Doug, I'd be very interested to know why anyone would want to run 98 on modern computer hardware :smack:



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far as i know someone else at another forum has installed all os from dos up to win7(including 98) on a new dual core amd pc with no problems, each os runs the programs they always did.(so don't think it matters if you want an amd or intel system both should work just fine in my opinion for win 98) :popcorn:
Post #5

Most Recent processor and mobo? That's an interesting question.

I've installed both on many PIII and P IV Intels and on a variety of AMD machines.
But never thought about the most recent or advanced hardware that could be used.
Any single-core chip and DDR Dimm should work.

I've never even thought about trying those OS with multi-core or DDR2 or 3

What is your goal or purpose?

Trying to do custom build with three dedicated hard disk drives (one for Windows 2000 workstation, one for XP Pro, and on to trial various Linux distros). Have list of motherboards/chipsets for XP Pro & Linux…need one for Windows 2000 to compare and see if build is possible.
Post #6
both windows 2000 and windows xp are in the same windows nt family of operating systems so i'd say whatever list you have that works with xp will also work for windows 2000. :popcorn:
Post #7

Trying to do custom build with three dedicated hard disk drives (one for Windows 2000 workstation, one for XP Pro, and on to trial various Linux distros).


Can all be run on one hard drive, no problem (triple boot). Just create dedicated partitions for each.
Post #8

Windows 2000 Professional & Windows 98.

Motherboards, regardless of brand are either compatible with Intel or AMD but not both. Gigabyte and Asus make boards to suit either.

The current sockets used by AMD for its desktop processors are now Socket AM3 and Socket AM3+ and the new Socket FM1 for AMD's latest Llano range of CPUs. Intel's current sockets are Socket LGA775, Socket LGA1366 and Socket LGA1156.

AMD CPUs are backward (and often forward) compatible by at least one socket type. If you upgrade an Intel motherboard you also need to upgrade your CPU.
Many computer owners run AMD systems because they can upgrade their board without having to also upgrade their CPU which makes AMD the cheapest system to run long term.

Performance wise, the difference between an AMD or an Intel system is mostly academic and has no real-world relevance.

Recommending a particular Gigabyte or ASUS motherboard would be pointless as it would depend on what sort of usage it was needed for or features required. Both an Intel or AMD system (any socket type) will run Windows 2000 or 98, either by themselves or on dual or triple boot operating systems.

Cheers,
Lee

PS Edit:
As far as 98 goes (and to a lesser degree 2000), don't expect to find all connected hardware (printers, cameras, scanners etc to be compatible (often no 98 drivers available) and you will also be restricted to USB 1 (very slow). A lot of today's software programs won't run on 98 either. But sure, 98 and 2000 will run on modern computers, but with software and hardware choice restrictions. And like Doug, I'd be very interested to know why anyone would want to run 98 on modern computer hardware :smack:



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Hello– been some changes since I first posted. Found Windows 98 list of supported motherboards/chipsets & ect., on Microsoft site, plus gal on another forum sent this link, which also details the same:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/107001-com…ith-windows-9x/
By the way, if anyone knows where Microsoft hide the similar list for Windows 2000, please advise. Anyway, I'm very disappointed to say I will have to forego Windows 98, as its hardware requirements are too archaic (would hamstring both XP Pro and Linux). So I'm now focused on finding list of boards/chipsets that will run Windows 2000. Hopefully its requirements are more in line with XP Pro & Linux. As mentioned, already have similar lists for XP Pro & Linux ready for comparison.

Regarding what you wrote "AMD system (any socket type) will run Windows 2000 or 98" does not agree with link above, nor Win98 requirements on Microsoft's homesite. However I've heard it said that the problem is not in the CPU, but in its compatible motherboard/chipset. My preferred CPU (Phenom II X6 1975T) is said to be able to run Windows 98…if you could find a compatible board/chipset that supports Win98…but none exists. So the first step in custom-build to run any given OS (especially legacy sort) is determining which boards/chipsets will run it, then picking the best of the choices available, then picking the best CPU for it. At least this is my understanding so far. I'm not so much into you "Recommending a particular Gigabyte of Asus motherboard", as I'm into finding out which ones I have to choose from, so I can pick one with features needed, that will also work with XP Pro & Linux Mint. I'm a control freak whenever more than a thousand dollars is in play.

Software for Windows 98, Win 2000, and XP Pro was already chosen first, as per book 'Buying A Computer For Dummies', so already know what to buy (although now have to go back over procurement list to weed out Win98 stuff). To answer your question as to why…Vista grates on me nerves, absolutely detest Windows 7 , and will not even try Windows 8! That leaves XP Pro, Windows 2000, and Linux. Simple process of elimination.
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Vista grates on me nerves, absolutely detest Windows 7 , and will not even try Windows 8! That leaves XP Pro, Windows 2000, and Linux. Simple process of elimination.


OK then.
You have until April 9, 2014, to enjoy the full potential of XP, after which it will become increasingly risky and problematic to access and navigate the internet.
"Local" non-networked use of any operating system will continue to be available as long as your hardware holds out, but software will precipitously diminish and will not be replenished.

There are still a small number of folks who are getting-by with Win2K, smaller still on Win98, and yes a few on Win95 and even DOS 1.1
Must be a labor of love as applied to old Windows versions.

If you are a gamer, you pretty much have until April 9, 2014. However, there are some promising developments in the Linux community with more titles appearing regularly, though not much in terms of real-time participation with the popular titles which remain primarily scripted for Windows.

You can always hope that Windows 9 or 10 will provide the significant foundational changes that are hinted at in rumors.

As for myself, I am tethered to Windows via various requirements of work applications which I use in my business.
Otherwise, both Linux Mint and SUSE 12.1 are beginning to look more and more attractive.

You might serve yourself well to become familiar with the Linux family of operating systems and related software.

You present as a serious and determined individual. If that description includes a desire to create your own machine environment, you may be looking the wrong way by looking backwards in the Windows line of OS. The older versions, though near and dear to my heart, are more restrictive in breadth than the current versions. I anticipate that Microsoft will become more expansive and allow more creative versatility as hardware platforms move popular computing more and more away from standard desktop models.
If you do wish to create your own unique machine right now, then Linux provides excellent opportunity.

Happy building to you.

Doug
Post #10
I have a spare "souped up and hot" P3 here that will roar along with 98SE or 2000. At the moment it is running XP (and would run W7 if need be). It's yours for 100 bucks!

The only problem is, I live in Australia and the postage would be more than that :lol:
Post #11

I have a spare "souped up and hot" P3 here that will roar along with 98SE or 2000. At the moment it is running XP (and would run W7 if need be). It's yours for 100 bucks!

The only problem is, I live in Australia and the postage would be more than that :lol:


Thanks, but I've already invested too much time and effort into this custom-build idea, to create PC that will handle all three operating systems (now Windows 2000 workstation, XP Pro, and trial of various Linux distros). Don't like having to sacrifice Win98, but had to give up on BeOS, Haiku, and several others for same reason, so things are as they are.
Post #12

Vista grates on me nerves, absolutely detest Windows 7 , and will not even try Windows 8! That leaves XP Pro, Windows 2000, and Linux. Simple process of elimination.


OK then.
You have until April 9, 2014, to enjoy the full potential of XP, after which it will become increasingly risky and problematic to access and navigate the internet.
"Local" non-networked use of any operating system will continue to be available as long as your hardware holds out, but software will precipitously diminish and will not be replenished.

There are still a small number of folks who are getting-by with Win2K, smaller still on Win98, and yes a few on Win95 and even DOS 1.1
Must be a labor of love as applied to old Windows versions.

If you are a gamer, you pretty much have until April 9, 2014. However, there are some promising developments in the Linux community with more titles appearing regularly, though not much in terms of real-time participation with the popular titles which remain primarily scripted for Windows.

You can always hope that Windows 9 or 10 will provide the significant foundational changes that are hinted at in rumors.

As for myself, I am tethered to Windows via various requirements of work applications which I use in my business.
Otherwise, both Linux Mint and SUSE 12.1 are beginning to look more and more attractive.

You might serve yourself well to become familiar with the Linux family of operating systems and related software.

You present as a serious and determined individual. If that description includes a desire to create your own machine environment, you may be looking the wrong way by looking backwards in the Windows line of OS. The older versions, though near and dear to my heart, are more restrictive in breadth than the current versions. I anticipate that Microsoft will become more expansive and allow more creative versatility as hardware platforms move popular computing more and more away from standard desktop models.
If you do wish to create your own unique machine right now, then Linux provides excellent opportunity.

Happy building to you.

Doug


We have different expectations as concerns Microsoft. You expect it to improve. I look at Vista, see it twice as bad as XP Pro, albeit it still (barely) usable. See Win7 as totally useless, even after all the instructional books I read, plus adult night school course. Haven't tried Win8, but research indicates its even worse than Win7. I expect Microsoft to continue to turn out worse and worse slop.
Windows 2000 and XP Pro will serve me, until I can switch to Linux.
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We have different expectations as concerns Microsoft. You expect it to improve. I look at Vista, see it twice as bad as XP Pro, albeit it still (barely) usable. See Win7 as totally useless, even after all the instructional books I read, plus adult night school course. Haven't tried Win8, but research indicates its even worse than Win7. I expect Microsoft to continue to turn out worse and worse slop.
Windows 2000 and XP Pro will serve me, until I can switch to Linux.


I guess there is just no "come-back" to those statements.

I would agree with you about Vista as Vista means DEATH and would also agree with you about Widows 8 (it's beta stage anyway), but XP and W7 "even after all the instructional books I read, plus adult night school course"? W7 is even easier to use and set-up than XP and with far better security features, but you brand both as "slop"(?)

I suppose you still use a 15" analog (CRT) monitor too, as every monitor since has also been slop? …Just kidding :lol:

Good luck with the new build,

Cheers,
Lee
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must admit even tho i am a 100% linux user, i'd definitely recommend everyone who uses windows to have win7 just because it is the best operating system microsoft have made regarding security against malware.(and to be totally honest if you find using win7 hard then i'm afraid you may experience a lot more frustration at times with linux.) anyway back to your question like i said earlier win 2000 and xp are both from the same nt family which means from my understanding they use the same hardware drivers, so the list you have for xp is also good for win 2000. good luck on your build. :popcorn:
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must admit even tho i am a 100% linux user, i'd definitely recommend everyone who uses windows to have win7 just because it is the best operating system microsoft have made regarding security against malware.(and to be totally honest if you find using win7 hard then i'm afraid you may experience a lot more frustration at times with linux.)

anyway back to your question like i said earlier win 2000 and xp are both from the same nt family which means from my understanding they use the same hardware drivers, so the list you have for xp is also good for win 2000.

good luck on your build.

:popcorn:


Great news! Will now proceed with choosing hardware components that agree with XP Pro & Linux. As for selling me on Vista, Win 7 or even trying out Win 8…mark that as a lost cause. As for "security", my time spent as 'lurker' on various hacker/cracker forums, blogs, etc., does not agree with your assessment; plus I've noticed Microsoft has already begun its usual projectile- vomiting of weak patches, pseudofixes, and assorted bandaids over severed veins. I've no doubt Linux will be hard to teach myself, but cannot be any worse than Win 7! Anyway, thanks for the Win 2000 answer…much appreciated.

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