If you want to point someone at this post:
http://TomCoyote.org/Theory/
that link will bring you to here

My appologies if anyone takes anything said against thier browser, their surfing, their computer, their dogs or their cats, this is just a conversation that needs to be thought about


[ 09:39:25 ]  [ @Efwis ] I had fun teh other night, was surfing the web for a neildiamond song, got nailed with a major hijacking
[ 09:39:33 ]  [ @Efwis ] *Neil Diamond
[ 09:39:43 ]  [ @Coyote` ] neil will do that to you
[ 09:39:54 ]  [ @Coyote` ] go with Pink Floyd next time
[ 09:40:45 ]  [ @Efwis ] heh, hit me with 180solutions, l2m, 10 viruses 2 trojan downloaders, a java exploit, and a hompage hijack, went right around Moz and nailed IE
[ 09:40:46 ]  [ @Coyote` ] it's a crying shame that no one is safe looking for things nowadays
[ 09:41:12 ]  [ @Efwis ] oh I forgot ISTVbar and sidesearch
[ 09:41:41 ]  [ @Coyote` ] let's say you have IE secure, and you use another browser
[ 09:42:31 ]  [ @Coyote` ] this other browser allows something to happen that bypasses the first block you have built into IE say Iespyads, thus IE is now a target again through this other browser
[ 09:42:44 ]  [ @Coyote` ] this IS just a theory btw
[ 09:42:51 ]  [ @Coyote` ] but it is possible
[ 09:43:31 ]  [ @Coyote` ] now if you go to that same site in IE, nothing happens because your first block stopped it
[ 09:43:45 ]  [ @Efwis ] i'm looked in my IE_Spyad files, this page isn't even listed, although it should be, I think i will contact Eric Howes adn he can add it to his next update
[ 09:44:11 ]  [ @Coyote` ] are you in the classroom?
[ 09:44:18 ]  [ @Efwis ] yeah, your theory has merit adn is probably quite accurate
[ 09:44:22 ]  [ @Efwis ] yes I am
[ 09:44:32 ]  [ @Coyote` ] have you been keeping up with wng_z3r0's problem that I have posted to?
[ 09:44:45 ]  [ @Efwis ] no, got a link?
[ 09:44:53 ]  [ @Coyote` ] http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?act=...ndpost&p=137765
[ 09:45:08 ]  [ @Coyote` ] took 4 pages of posts to finally get to the root of the problem
[ 09:45:26 ]  [ @Efwis ] looking
[ 09:45:41 ]  [ @Coyote` ] his shell browser covering IE allowed something IE wouldn't
[ 09:46:31 ]  [ @Coyote` ] not so much a theory anymore
[ 09:48:00 ]  [ @bozodog ] are you saying that Mozilla can let stuff through to IE and beyond?
[ 09:48:50 ]  [ @Coyote` ] I am not saying anything about moz, I am saying it is a possibility that an alternate browser can let things bypass to IE and therefore cause problems
[ 09:49:44 ]  [ @Coyote` ] and by them bypassing to IE, IE's protections can be bypassed that normally wouldn't if IE was in use instead of the alternate
[ 09:50:29 ]  [ @bozodog ] err.. I think I understand
[ 09:51:01 ]  [ @Coyote` ] it's like a layer effect, you have layers of protections you set in place, using an alternate browser, you can possibly bypass a layer
or two which in turn can lead to your being infected
[ 09:51:36 ]  [ @Coyote` ] it may not go in the front door but it might find a side window
[ 09:51:37 ]  [ @bozodog ] Ahh..
[ 09:52:45 ]  [ @Coyote` ] I won't say that it is possible with any particular browser, I think in fact it may be possible with any browser
[ 09:53:03 ]  [ @Coyote` ] but this is only theory at this point
[ 09:53:24 ]  [ @Coyote` ] some script kiddie will strive to make it happen on a regular basis eventually
[ 09:54:10 ]  [ @bozodog ] sounds like a solid thought... they are getting better at mucking up our systems..
[ 09:54:36 ]  [ @Coyote` ] well, the problem itself goes back to windows,
[ 09:54:53 ]  [ @Coyote` ] windows is made to accomodate users of limited knowledge
[ 09:55:06 ]  [ @bozodog ] but doesn't your AV, etc... do it's job in that case?
[ 09:55:09 ]  [ @Coyote` ] so that in itself is preyed upon by the kiddies
[ 09:55:36 ]  [ @Coyote` ] AV is only one part of an overall solution and it lacks a great deal of the overall protection
[ 09:56:07 ]  [ @Coyote` ] the AV chosen also plays a part in how that is defined
[ 09:56:42 ]  [ @Coyote` ] several AV's have weak real time scanning engines that fail at the sight of any infection
[ 09:57:15 ]  [ @Coyote` ] real time scanning engines are the only way to truly combat virus and trojans
[ 09:57:28 ]  [ @bozodog ] I only use Avast free... and spywareblaster etc..
[ 09:57:42 ]  [ @Coyote` ] I have not tried Avast
[ 09:57:51 ]  [ @Coyote` ] so I cannot comment on it
[ 09:58:27 ]  [ @bozodog ] it sure updates often, (2-3 times a day at times)
[ 09:58:51 ]  [ @Coyote` ] I hope that is because they are adding to the database and not correcting mistakes
[ 09:58:58 ]  [ @bozodog ] and scares the heck outa me when some baddie trys to get in
[ 09:59:15 ]  [ @bozodog ] yeah, it's data
[ 09:59:34 ]  [ @Coyote` ] well, you can't tell from the updating
[ 09:59:53 ]  [ @Coyote` ] you would have to disect each dataflow
[ 10:00:03 ]  [ @Coyote` ] and know what coding they use
[ 10:00:51 ]  [ @Efwis ] from looking at that post, i wouold say you are correct Tom, no longer a theory but a proven fact
[ 10:01:15 ]  [ @bozodog ] of course I don't surf the back alleys, or p2p stuff
[ 10:01:24 ]  [ @Coyote` ] well, fact for his situation, theory for other browsers at this point
[ 10:01:52 ]  [ @Coyote` ] bozodog look at what happened to Efwis looking for a neil diamond song
[ 10:01:59 ]  [ @Efwis ] based on what happened to me its a fact for Moz too
[ 10:02:01 ]  [ @bozodog ] yep
[ 10:02:30 ]  [ @bozodog ] do you use Moz of FF?
[ 10:02:31 ]  [ @Coyote` ] I hate it when I am correct about some of these theories but I am right too many times
[ 10:02:48 ]  [ @Efwis ] i went there with my IE yesterday, nothing happened, all my protections worked correctly
[ 10:03:13 ]  [ @bozodog ] you're like a hound dog.. you can sniff out problems
[ 10:03:13 ]  [ @Efwis ] so I am inclined to believe it is something actually programmed into the html code
[ 10:03:40 ]  [ @Efwis ] he is good at what he does, and I like his info, because he usually is correct bd
[ 10:04:23 ]  [ @bozodog ] don't I know it... he knows I have the highest respect for what he says

It is always your choice as to what to use, I have always said though that if you don't protect IE then you are in for a surprise, now though even with protecting IE you could have a problem, so it is not that simple anymore given the above situation, should you switch back to IE and give up what you want? That you will have to answer for yourself, it is your computer.